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I think I'd just write someone in.

Sure, you can write in Fred Thompson.

Posted by Jim Harris at December 16, 2007 10:33 AM

Rand, don't panic.

I can't see how Huckabee can be the nominee. He might win in some states, mainly the Southern states where mental acuity is limited in a larger cross section of the people. He simply won't win in more enlightened parts of the country. Which is of course a pity from my perspective, but that should be good news to you.

Posted by Offside at December 16, 2007 10:34 AM

I'm not panicked. I'm dismayed, though I agree that it's unlikely he'll become the nominee. We were simply discussing the hypothetical.

Posted by Rand Simberg at December 16, 2007 10:41 AM

...mainly the Southern states where mental acuity is limited in a larger cross section of the people.

Offside,
as a lyflong, bernt und razed sutherner, howz bout ya kizz are c'llectuv suthern aces.

Look around pal, it's those bastions of enlightenment and learning, the northeast and the left coast that tend to elect northern liberal boobs, who think like like Huckabee, who legislate and spend the voters into the poor house. Then the liberal voters move to Atlanta or Raleigh or Chattahooga where they bitch about their lost homes in Boston or Albany, while simultaneously electing southern idiot liberals who do the same things to them all over again. (and southerners are dumb?) Perhaps you can track down a southerner to read to you the record of those exact things happening all over the south over the last 25 or 30 years.

And afterward, maybe you could also enlighten us with the hyper-intelligent locale where you reside so we can move there to bask, as you do, in both self importance and arrogance. Or is that just the corner you live on? I'll bet it's the big white washed house at Self Importance Street and Arrogance Road.

Jackass.

Posted by Steve at December 16, 2007 01:47 PM

It would be nice if Glenn would enlighten us on how Edwards, Obama, or Hillary would conform to his politics better than Huckabee.

Yes, Huckabee is pro life (the horror), but is that enough for Glenn to favor the hard-core socialists?

Apparently so.

Posted by mockmook at December 16, 2007 02:34 PM

Edwards is the only Democratic candidate that could make me vote for Huckabee. Really, I would vote for Kucinich against Huckabee, but not for Edwards.

Posted by Ilya at December 16, 2007 03:33 PM

"Yes, Huckabee is pro life (the horror), but is that enough for Glenn to favor the hard-core socialists?"

Huckabee isn't a hard-core socialist?

Seems like he is to me. If he weren't pro-life, I haven't heard a single sane or believable reason why there should be an (R) after his name.

Qwinn

Posted by Qwinn at December 16, 2007 04:39 PM

the northeast and the left coast that tend to elect northern liberal boobs,

You mean like Romney and Giuliani?

I stand by my statement, and you should agree. What states would nominate Huckabee? The North East? And remember, I only said a larger cross-section, not all. Consider yourself most certainly excluded.

Did you hear Romney brag about the brilliance of his kids in Massauchusetts, coming in #1 nationally. I mean did you even tune into the last debate? How did that go over with you?

It's those liberal boobs in the North East who are still keeping us competitive internationally, in addition to having the smartest kids. It's just the facts; you should face them straight on and try to emulate the North East.

Posted by Offside at December 16, 2007 05:23 PM

And Steve,

Doesn't it say something about the liberal boobs in Massachusetts that they would elect a Mormon Governor? Who was the last Mormon Governor of a Southern State? I can't remember, can you?

They went from Mormon to Black Governor. When do you expect that to happen in your part of the country? Granted Bobby Jindal is progress; baby steps in the right direction, but he's a Huckabite isn't he?

Kind of makes one reflect on prejudice and its geographic distribution. Prove me wrong.

Posted by Offside at December 16, 2007 05:32 PM

They went from Mormon to Black Governor. When do you expect that to happen in your part of the country?

Do you live in New Hampshire or Vermont?

Posted by Leland at December 16, 2007 05:47 PM

"It's just the facts"

Offside, you have demonstrated time and again you would not know the facts if they crawled up your forth point of contact and died there.

Posted by Mike Puckett at December 16, 2007 06:12 PM

Leland, I don't understand your question.

Basically, here's my point: If Huckabee is not nominated, it will be due to places like the North East. Clearly, it will not be due to the South. Agreed?

Given that fact, and if you agree that nominating Huckabee is very bad (that is if you agree with Rand), is it fair to say that a State that nominates Huckabee must have a larger share of bad (read as WTF is wrong with them) people? It's a simple matter of progressive logic.

And that's what I said wasn't it, when I said a larger cross section ?

Now can we please THANK the non-Southern parts of the country for rejecting Huckabee? Is that fair?

Mind you, I would be very pleased if Huckabee is nominated, but I'm simply framing the deductive process that should naturally follow for someone who does not want Huckabee nominated. You are making me wonder whether the effort is worth it.

Posted by Offside at December 16, 2007 06:28 PM

Basically, here's my point: If Huckabee is not nominated, it will be due to places like the North East. Clearly, it will not be due to the South. Agreed?

No. Not agreed.

Last time I checked, Fred Thompson was as much from the south as Huckabee. We'll see what happens in South Carolina...

Posted by Rand Simberg at December 16, 2007 06:41 PM

Offside,
I am always "excluded" after the fact. Especially after I take someone to task over the typical trash talk about southern state slack jawed yokels like you made.

Remember that by excluding me, you still include all of my family and a great number of my friends in your jab at southern morons. It also includes most of the people I ever worked for, or with or people who worked for me. You impugned the intelligence of the inhabitants of a geographical region with no proof of your statement, save your own opinion.

You, sir, are no better than any other bigot.

Remove the words "Southern states", and place in their stead, Germans, or Greeks or Africans. Would you then stand by any such statements based solely on a persons place of birth or residence?

As to Mormons being elected in southern states, when did any run? And for what office? If they don't run, they can't get elected. I'm pretty savvy with such things, and I do not remember a Mormon running for public office in the south in my lifetime. Certainly I do not remember any Mormon candidates running in NC since I started voting, that's 35 years.

Posted by Steve at December 16, 2007 06:42 PM

Then the liberal voters move to Atlanta or Raleigh or Chattahooga where they bitch about their lost homes in Boston or Albany, while simultaneously electing southern idiot liberals who do the same things to them all over again.

Welcome to South Florida.

Posted by Jonathan at December 16, 2007 07:21 PM

At least Huckabee supports the 2nd Amendment. Edwards seems to be a complete phony and demagogue. Trial lawyers are an Edwards constituency. What kind of judges do you think he would appoint?

Posted by Jonathan at December 16, 2007 07:26 PM

Welcome to South Florida.

Welcome to Nevada, and the mountain west.

And to be fair, few northeast liberals move to south Florida to escape the tax and spend climate. They mostly do it for the weather...

At least Huckabee supports the 2nd Amendment.

For now. Note Glenn's post on the subject. I don't trust him. He does seem to have too many similarities to Bill Clinton, and I don't just mean his birthplace and resume.

Posted by at December 16, 2007 07:31 PM

Edwards supports Edwards.

He started out as an ambulance chaser here in NC, got rich on now debunked pseudo-science and then got elected to the Senate. His support of the 2nd Amendment goes as follows,

When workmen were building his house, mansion, in Orange County, they "strayed" off of his property looking for a gas line or phone line or some such. The man who's property they strayed onto simply saw people he didn't know wandering around behind his barn, so he got his rifle, asked them who the hell thy were, what the were doing and then chased them off his land.

Mrs Edwards said she didn't like the idea of, "...living across the road from a gun toting maniac."

They crossed the ROAD, that's serious straying in my view, onto his property that was clearly marked with no trespassing signs, and she doesn't think he should be able to defend his property when that happens. And John Edwards stood by her statements.

Just for the tally books, this is in a very rural setting. The property across from theirs is still a farm and it's the only place this man has ever lived. He inherited the land from his father. So this isn't like the guy was defending the 17th hole at some gated golf course community.

Edwards is a typical liberal jerk. He has hired, armed guards at his house, but the farmer across the street should be disarmed.

Edwards is an idiot.

Posted by Steve at December 17, 2007 04:59 AM

Steve,

You are really reacting much too strongly to my original statement, which was hardly that offensive. It was more as a self-compliment to the cranky North East, but like Joe Biden says, I guess it wasn't appropriate.

That's the second time in a week I've been called a bigot on this blog. My apologies, especially to you, and any other Southerners who interpreted my statement as a dig at the South.

I will restrain any tangential digs, even in jest, at the South in the future.

Posted by Offside at December 17, 2007 05:42 AM

I believe that both would have similar socialist/populist programs, but that Republicans would combine against Edwards' programs, producing useful gridlock. On the other hand, Dems would be only too happy to go along with Huckabee's programs, and too many Republicans might do so too, out of party loyalty.

That's exactly the reason why I would not be terribly worried about most true Socialists in the White House, such as Kucinich -- they are too detached from reality to lead Democratic party effectively, and Republicans would oppose them on reflex. But I disagree with Glenn about Edwards. I think Edwards is SMART (sorry, Steve), and very dangerous.

Posted by Ilya at December 17, 2007 06:44 AM

Well how in the hell else could it have been taken?

Like I said, a simple rule is remove the subject, replace it with a similar but different group of subjects and see how it plays. It may have seemed like an innocent thing to say to you, but when Lester Maddox said "coon" or "nigger", he was thinking the same way,

"Where's the harm in pointing out the obvious?"

I would have been just as offended if you'd singled out fat, middle-aged, long haired, white guys, of Italian or Dutch or Irish descent. Or any combination there of.

And you don't get to decide how someone else reacts to statements after they leave you. Adults take that, or should take that kind of thing into consideration on the front end. I dare say, that if you've been called a bigot here twice in a week, it may be time for a gut check.

Posted by Steve at December 17, 2007 09:07 AM

Just when I feel immune to the provocations to civil war as occur in Iraq, along comes some scum like "Offside" to demonstrate that it can happen here as well. Thanks a lot you arrogant, pompous ass.

Posted by willis at December 17, 2007 12:22 PM

Bigot and pompous ass all in one day. I wonder if he can get a hat trick before midnight tonight? WAIT, bigot, scum and pompous ass, that's the hat trick right there!!

Just to keep this at least semi-on topic, Huckabee is still scary. I've had my fill of tax and spend Arkansas governors thanks.

Posted by Steve at December 17, 2007 01:17 PM

Offside,

I feel no need to explain my point further. I'm in pretty good company with those that recognized in your comments the same thing I did.

Posted by Leland at December 17, 2007 02:42 PM

You are really reacting much too strongly to my original statement, which was hardly that offensive.

I will restrain any tangential digs, even in jest, at the South in the future.

So would "passive-agressive donkey" be piling on?

Posted by Beej at December 17, 2007 03:10 PM

This is ridiculous.

My very first comment that seemed to have started this whole thing off could very well have been interpreted as referring to the conservative boobs who support Huckabee.

These folks seem not to live in the North East. That was my point. I also referred to the North East as enlightened.

My apology to Steve was in relation to how he interpreted it. He chose to interpret it in its worst interpretation as a generic statement about Southerners when it was clearly constrained to a portion, as in a larger cross section , which is no different than many of you think of Huckabee's supporters.

My apology went over and beyond what was needed given the context. And apparently, Steve can't accept it since he keeps coming back to the issue, looking for hat-tricks. If it's a provocation to war, as another commenter said, it seems some of you very much want to make it one, and I'm just a convenient opportunity that presented itself.

Posted by Offside at December 17, 2007 04:34 PM

No, you weren't convenient. But you certainly made yourself available with your comment.

There was actually a point at which I was the only one who took that wrong. No, I was wrong about that, not about how what you said sounded.

Posted by Steve at December 17, 2007 06:29 PM

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