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"The Land We Belong To Is Grand" Mark Steyn writes that the world should be thankful for America: ...Americans aren't novelty junkies on the important things. The New World is one of the oldest settled constitutional democracies on Earth, to a degree the Old World can barely comprehend. Where it counts, Americans are traditionalists. RTWT. Posted by Rand Simberg at November 18, 2007 09:35 AMTrackBack URL for this entry:
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Whoops, clearly youre quoting, apologies. Posted by at November 18, 2007 09:45 AMI agree completely that the world should be extremely thankful to the US but the frankly idiotic way Mark Steyn goes about describing it is more likely to make people both outside and inside the US turn away in disgust. At least it disgusts me and I'm far more pro-US than at least 95% of norwegians (our constitution is from 1814 by the way). I would have expected better from Steyn. Posted by Habitat Hermit at November 18, 2007 01:13 PMWhat an arrogant piece of drivel. Posted by Offside at November 18, 2007 01:33 PMAn "arrogant piece of drivel" from a Canadian, Offsides... HH, I suspect that the tone you object to is an overreaction to much more disgusting anti-Americanism coming from people much more arrogant than Steyn. Posted by Rand Simberg at November 18, 2007 01:38 PMShorter Offside: "arrogant drivel" = true Posted by Dick Eagleson at November 18, 2007 02:34 PMBit of a mashup on the math: "Three hundred and 14 years ago, the Pilgrims thanked God ..." seems to be a result of thinking it was three centuries back from the 20th and then adding 14 to '07 to get 1621. Since we're in the 21st century and are 14 years short of the quadracentennial (tetracentennial?), the correct figure would be 386 years. Posted by Jay Manifold at November 18, 2007 02:43 PMNo Rand I don't think so. I think my previous comment was an overly polite understatement; some of what Steyn writes is simply extremely insulting and particularly so to the memory of those not from the US who have died fighting alongside the US, or by simply supporting the US in some manner. In his defense I don't think Steyn realizes (although he probably should). Posted by Habitat Hermit at November 18, 2007 05:19 PMAmerican arrogance again! On the subject of working societies that stay that way; I just looked it up - the English civil war finished in 1651, over a hundred years before the USA existed. Since then, we have certainly had our problems - but the political evolution has been peaceful. Not to mention that Britain created the world's largest democracy - and also dragged it up from a collection of mediaeval princedoms to a cohesive state, in the process. I refer of course to India. And what did the Americans do, in a similar situation, with the Native Americans? Simple. They either herded them into reservations on the worst of the land - or just killed them. Sure, Britain is past its best. Maybe that's because it's fought off a tyranny large and more powerful than itself for two or more years - three times. Posted by Fletcher Christian at November 19, 2007 02:22 AMFletcher Christian: The British rule of India isn't exactly the rose-tinted era you make it out to be. And it isn't anything like the situation with the Native Americans (not to excuse what the US did back then). Nonetheless, since Steyn makes such a show of ignoring the British in his comparison of the US to Europe (which was obviously so he wouldn't have to deal with the sorts of questions you bring up), it would have made sense for him to add some paragraphs honoring/giving thanks for our cousins across the puddle. =) Posted by Math_Mage at November 19, 2007 02:51 AMNonetheless, since Steyn makes such a show of ignoring the British in his comparison of the US to Europe (which was obviously so he wouldn't have to deal with the sorts of questions you bring up), it would have made sense for him to add some paragraphs honoring/giving thanks for our cousins across the puddle. =) Actually, what Steyn is primarily guilty of is overgeneralizing, by lumping all of Europe together. Certainly what he writes applies to some of Europe. And I don't think that he considers the UK properly part of Europe--he assigns it culturally (and correctly, IMO) to the Anglosphere. "Europe" in his parlance is not a continent, but a certain continental attitude. Posted by Rand Simberg at November 19, 2007 06:07 AMPost a comment |