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"We All Tell The Same Stories"

John Hawkins has an interview with one of the Slick Grope Vets For Truth, Kathleen Willey, who has a new book out. And who would have thought that there could be a potential new Clinton scandal from the nineties (of course, much of the public remains unaware of the old ones--something that the Slick Grope Vets may rectify if Hillary gets the nomination):

I finally was emotionally able to look at my husband's autopsy report while writing the book and there were some things in there that got my attention. I'm not an expert and I don't pretend to be, but I did take the autopsy report and show it to an expert, a criminology and forensic expert, and she saw some pretty compelling inconsistencies in that report and she suggested that I pursue it, that I get further opinions, which I am doing. I feel like I owe that to his memory, I owe that to my children, and for my own piece of mind. I want to know what happened. That's what I talked about briefly in my book.

It had always been a given at the time that Ed Willey had committed suicide--I don't recall anyone questioning it. But there's ample reason to always question when associates of the Clintons supposedly "commit suicide" or meet some other untimely end. They seem to have a lot more such associates than most people.

Posted by Rand Simberg at November 14, 2007 08:17 AM
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I think the simplest explanation is that the Clintons surround themselves with people as flaky as they are.

Posted by FC at November 14, 2007 08:23 AM

There are a lot of words that come to my mind when I think of the Clintons and their associates, but "flaky" is not one of them.

Posted by Rand Simberg at November 14, 2007 08:32 AM

And here I thought that manuscript was lost/stolen by those nefarious Klintons! I mean, didn't we just have this discussion a few weeks ago, and now, lo and behold, it's now a book!


Posted by Andy at November 14, 2007 09:19 AM

And here I thought that manuscript was lost/stolen by those nefarious Klintons! I mean, didn't we just have this discussion a few weeks ago, and now, lo and behold, it's now a book!

If you actually follow the link, and read, instead of making moronic comments, you'll discover that the manuscript was in fact taken. She never claimed that it was her only copy (she almost certainly had it on her computer). The purpose was probably to get advance notice of what was in the book to prepare their counterattack on her, not to deprive her of it.

Posted by Rand Simberg at November 14, 2007 09:27 AM

Yes, thanks, I did both. And I figured that was exactly what your reply would be. Thanks for the usual courteous discourse.

Interesting how much noise was made about the alleged "theft," and how much little noise is being made by the antagonists in this affair (those Klintons), vis a vis the material in the book.

If you already know the facts of the matter (from having allegedly "done the deeds"), why would you need to know what she wrote to prepare a counterattack? Logic dictates that if she's telling the truth, it's a truth the Clinton's already know.


Posted by Andy at November 14, 2007 09:38 AM

Thanks for the usual courteous discourse.

You come in here with your childish snark, and expect "courteous discourse"? Amazing.

Interesting how much noise was made about the alleged "theft," and how much little noise is being made by the antagonists in this affair (those Klintons), vis a vis the material in the book.

Perhaps after reading the manuscript, they decided to just ignore it, and try not to give it any additional publicity?

If you already know the facts of the matter (from having allegedly "done the deeds"), why would you need to know what she wrote to prepare a counterattack?

They know what they know. They don't necessarily know what she knows.

And just to get this straight, based on your scare quotes above, are you insinuating that Ms. Willey is lying? Do you have any basis for such an insinuation, or are you just engaging in the standard Clinton-defender tactic of slandering their accusers?

Which ironically, is the very subject of the book. Maybe you'll feature in her next one.

Posted by Rand Simberg at November 14, 2007 09:46 AM

Willey's book is amazing! Consider this excerpt:

Lanasa, one of the two men to whom my husband owed money, would have been happy if I'd ended up in the street pushing a grocery cart. I tried to reason with him. Since I had signed that note for Ed, I offered to settle with Lanasa for half of the amount Ed had stolen. I felt it was the right thing to do. But that wasn't good enough. He wanted all of it and then some. So we couldn't settle. Luckily for me, I had a really smart, bright lawyer, Dan Gecker.
After her husband embezzled 275 grand from a client, Willey offered to split the difference. She is clearly a woman of compromise. But no, Lanasa demanded all of it. The meanie. Didn't he realize how much it costs to send the children to college?

It was around that time that Willey approached Bill Clinton, in her greatest hour of need...

Posted by Jim Harris at November 14, 2007 10:06 AM

And, Jim Harris, your point is...?

Posted by Rand Simberg at November 14, 2007 10:14 AM

The first link appears to be to an article about "Academia's Pervasive PC Rot" and Delaware Students. Unless I'm missing something, it's unlikely that someone actually read the interview before posting.

Posted by Tom at November 14, 2007 11:10 AM

Thanks, Tom, I fixed the link. And though Andy doesn't have any evidence that Kathleen Willey is a liar, we now have some evidence (proof in fact) that he is.

High-larious.

Posted by Rand Simberg at November 14, 2007 11:17 AM

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Nope, never saw the first link. Mea culpa. And I wondered what the hell link you were talking about that had any relevant information. Amazon surely didn't.

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Or perhaps there was just nothing there?

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She can't know of something they didn't do. And since they're pretty smart people, I imagine they have a defense ready for any of their previous actions. Which means there isn't much, other than conjecture, that she might offer.

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Those are your words, not mine. Just calling it like it is. She could be lying, she could be telling the truth, but until it's proven, I'll, unlike you, treat it as just an allegation.

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Since I never made such an insinuation here, I'm not guilty of libeling anyone.

Posted by Andy at November 14, 2007 11:36 AM

Nope, never saw the first link. Mea culpa.

Wow, you are brazen.

I wrote: "If you actually follow the link, and read, instead of making moronic comments, you'll discover that the manuscript was in fact taken."

To which you responded: "Yes, thanks, I did both." It's right there, above.

So were you lying then, or are you lying now?

Posted by at November 14, 2007 11:43 AM

as pointed out, I went to the link to the post (Slick Grope) and to the link to Amazon. I never saw the first. Nothing brazen about it, simply a mistaken reference.

Posted by Andy at November 14, 2007 12:21 PM

"I think the simplest explanation is that the Clintons surround themselves with people as flaky as they are."

Vince Foster was probably the steadiest person in the whole White House for the first six months of 1993.

Posted by Billy Beck at November 14, 2007 12:25 PM

I've seen the Clinton "Death List" at least a dozen times. I've also seen rebuttal to it saying something to the effect of,

"...well in any given group there are a certain number of deaths going to occur"

I would agree with that to a certain extent. But it's never anyone who they knew casually who dies with a weird autopsy or bad police report, it's somebody super close to them. It was always somebody like Wiley, Vince Foster or Ron Brown, that's about to roll over or be forced to testify.

Seemingly the number one cause of death in Arkansas or at the DNC in the 1990's, was knowing or working closely with the Clintons.

Andy,
ya got caught lying into the cookie jar. Which is kinda flaky too.

Posted by Steve at November 14, 2007 01:12 PM

Glad I could help. Interesting to read the fallout.

Posted by Tom at November 15, 2007 05:54 AM


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