Apparently, in addition to the diapers, Commander Nowak's car had b0ndage photos in it.

If you were forced to live in such close proximity to others for extended lengths of time, would you not want to tie them down once in a while so you had a little more room? I mean, come on, we are Americans after all, we NEED our space. Right?

Individual photos? With her NASA background, a bondage Powerpoint presentation sounds more likely.

Methinks she may enjoy prison just a bit. If she can get past the 200-pound Mexican woman part.

Sounds like just the person to lead NASA's tether work.

This also puts the 'Velcro as NASA Spinoff' myth into a whole new light.

I am told by a pretty reliable source that one of the "items" taken from Nowak's car was a fortune cookie slip from the Oriental Gourmet (an eatery in Clear Lake...one of my favorite chinese food places) that said "The coming month shall bring winds of change in your life."

and I had been throwing all those with the lottery numbers away!

Robert

Must have been a training exercise for a Mars mission. Didn't NASA say they would use duct tape on 'nauts gone nuts?

I always thought her havin' the pellet gun was weird,it ain't hard to buy a real gun in Texas.

I always thought her havin' the pellet gun was weird,it ain't hard to buy a real gun in Texas.

Posted by Frantic Freddie at April 11, 2007 10:41 AM

it isnt that wierd...Lisa Marie is in all respects what I refer to as a "white collar criminal"...ie she is a person who planned and executed a crime and all the time while doing it was telling herself "I am not really doing something criminal".

The real definition of white collar crime is crime committed by people who are simply not honest enough with themselves to admit to themselves that they are committing a criminal act. This sort of love triangle happens all the time in say Pasadena and when pressed the perp says something like "I was going to tear the (blanks) heart out" Or the spanish equivelent...they are fully aware mentally that they are committing a crime.

I have no doubt that even while in manacles at the police station Nowak had convinced herself that she really didnt commit a crime, illustrative of this is her line about the pepper spray "that was dumb".

Right up until she gets out of the prison van at the Florida penal farm she will saying to herself "I really didnt mean to kill her"...but she did.

Robert

Do astronauts get self-defense training, or will she become someone's "baby girl" in the joint?

Do astronauts get self-defense training, or will she become someone's "baby girl" in the joint?

Posted by Brian Swiderski at April 11, 2007 10:59 AM

As I was fond of saying back in my law enforcement days "everyone responds to prison each according to their own gifts"....lol

My guess is that Lisa is going (assuming she is convicted) to have a very hard time in Prison...and it wont be just that she is "Bertha's Babe"...

There are going to be harder moments.

Robert

What business have the police making such stuff
public? She's innocent until judged guilty; suppose she's acquitted - who'll give her back her privacy? Even if she ends up convicted - is it OK for the police to punish her in advance in this irregular way: by shaming her over something that may have no relation to her alleged crime, or even to her? ("The documents did not make clear if Nowak was the woman in the photos or to whom the disks belonged")

Are they trying to make conviction more certain by smear publicity - the Nifong approach?

I am appalled also at the smirks wrt her anticipated torture, rape, sex slavery in prison. Some indignation and some compassion, wasted on trifles like Abu Ghraib, on justifiable procedures like waterboarding of terrorists to save lives, would be infinitely more appropriate here.

jjustwwondering: "I am appalled also at the smirks wrt her anticipated torture, rape, sex slavery in prison."

Quite right, it is improper and irresponsible.

"Some indignation and some compassion, wasted on trifles like Abu Ghraib"

Now you've gone off the deep end. Indignation at pretrial impropriety for a former astronaut, but contemptuous indifference ranging into active support for denying trials entirely and torturing suspects. Fairness, reason, morality, and law appear to play no role in your idea of justice.

"on justifiable procedures like waterboarding of terrorists to save lives,"

There are circumstances under which the law permits killing, self defense being paramount, but there are none whatsoever under which torture is anything other than an aggravated felony worthy of a mandatory life sentence. All those who support torture who do not characterize their support as advocating a change in the law, but simply declare that the law should be broken, could be regarded as legally complicit in its violation.

Posted by jjustwwondering at April 12, 2007 12:32 AM

wow...good thing that you were not around back in the old Federal Badge days, you wouldnt have like my interrogation techniques...

We routinly would speculate on how long someone would last before they became "good friends" with Bubba or Bertha...

The odd thing is that in one case I "nailed" it right on. One woman who refused to cooperate and went to the "slammer" lasted two weeks, they found her in a dryer. I predicted she would last three...I won 20 bucks.

Robert

Women's maximum security prison isn't really that tough, relatively speaking, whatever anecdotes you may occasionally hear. They literally play "house"--Older, powerful women supposedly have a role of emotional support for others, as the "mama," and others are her "daughters," with no sexual relationship necessarily implied. There is no real hierarchy beyond that, no underclass of human property as in men's prison, and violence isn't a cultural institution despite happening sometimes as a result of personal quarrels.

All jokes aside, it's highly unlikely Nowak will be sexually abused or otherwise assaulted by other inmates at any point during her incarceration, although the guards are another question. And if she gets a psychiatric prison, the likelihood of abuse by the staff goes up substantially, although the duration of her stay would be shorter.