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That's it Rand, Keep Lying. Serving as a propogandist will
one day get you to nuremburg.

"Then, in January, President Bush, citing the British dossier, repeated the charges about Iraqi efforts to buy uranium from Africa.

The next day, I reminded a friend at the State Department of my trip and suggested that if the president had been referring to Niger, then his conclusion was not borne out by the facts as I understood them. He replied that perhaps the president was speaking about one of the other three African countries that produce uranium: Gabon, South Africa or Namibia. At the time, I accepted the explanation. I didn't know that in December, a month before the president's address, the State Department had published a fact sheet that mentioned the Niger case."

Wilson published this in June 2003.

The story in January was the White House was referring to
other countries.

Go ahead Simberg, Lie, Lie, Lie.
You'll go to nuremburg

Posted by anonymous at March 17, 2007 03:16 PM

Anon, you can stop waving your "I'm an Idiot" flag.

We've all figured that out already.

Posted by Cecil Trotter at March 17, 2007 04:58 PM

That's an interesting theory Rand.

Posted by Adrasteia at March 17, 2007 05:07 PM

"Serving as a propogandist will
one day get you to nuremburg."

Why will he go to Nuremburg? To preside over you trial and execution for criminal lameness?

Posted by Mike Puckett at March 17, 2007 05:15 PM

That's an interesting theory Rand.

Has anyone other than bloggers or journalists advanced this theory? Seems to me some GOP House members should have questioned Valerie Plame Wilson on this topic when she was sworn in as a witness.

If true, it would be very significant. So why are the elected GOP dropping the ball?

Posted by Bill White at March 17, 2007 05:16 PM

So why are the elected GOP dropping the ball?

Bill, have you ever heard the phrase, "the stupid Party"?

One of the (many) reasons I'm not a member.

Posted by Rand Simberg at March 17, 2007 05:21 PM

Seems to me some GOP House members should have questioned Valerie Plame Wilson on this topic when she was sworn in as a witness.

It shows you what the Republicans really think of this case that only two of them on the relevant House committee even showed up to the hearing. They are perfectly happy to badmouth her and her husband at a distance, or even better to have Fox News or some blogs do it for them. But when she actually testifies, they know that she is a hot potato.

Posted by at March 17, 2007 06:33 PM

who killed JR was more entertaining then this theory...

What was Lisa Nowak going to do is more entertaining then this theory.

The problem with the Administration's case for war is that there no solid bases for it before we went in. Everything was a complete at best "exaggeration".

"The smoking gun could be smoking mushroom".

LOL

Robert

Posted by Robert Oler at March 17, 2007 08:05 PM

My personal favorite of all the nutty things that this administration said about going to war was either the AL tubes that were (not) part of a nuclear program OR the "drones" that were going to be launched from tankers and carry a (NON EXISTENT) nuclear weapon.

Its still funny today.

What is even funnier is that people bought both of them.

Robert

Posted by Robert Oler at March 17, 2007 08:06 PM

So why are the elected GOP dropping the ball?

Posted by Bill White at March 17, 2007 05:16 PM

Because the days of the GOP looking stupid and being able to get away with it are OVER.

Robert

Posted by Robert Oler at March 17, 2007 08:07 PM

I see no "Rathergate" here. This information has been covered by several newspaper and television outlets. It really is old news, but it is still ignored for partisan purposes.

Bill wrote: Has anyone other than bloggers or journalists advanced this theory?

Heh. I get the sense if anyone else is mentioned, that category will be excluded from Bill's list.

Posted by Leland at March 17, 2007 10:16 PM

Simberg finds himself selling idiocy.

Joe Wilson in his NYT Op-Ed said he thought Hussein
was working on WMD and he didn't like Hussein.

What he didn't like was lying about the niger
facts..

Simberg likes lying, so therefore he hates wilson.

Posted by anonymous at March 17, 2007 10:16 PM

So Robert, when will the Democrats stop getting away with looking stupid?

Posted by Bill Maron at March 18, 2007 03:32 AM

Audio of Joe Wilson to Mark Simone.

Posted by D Anghelone at March 18, 2007 03:37 AM

Analmous, remember to take your meds.

Posted by Bill Maron at March 18, 2007 03:40 AM

So Robert, when will the Democrats stop getting away with looking stupid?

Posted by Bill Maron at March 18, 2007 03:32 AM..

Politics goes in circles...pendelum etc and eventually most of the stupid statements that Dems like Run Away John etc are making right now will come back to bite them...and like Burr Rabbit...they too will "Lay low".

It is the hubris of power. This is amazingly what brings "second rate" politicians like Bush down and makes really good ones like Ronaldus the Great and even Clinton survive.

When riding high they are careful in what they say...Bush after 9/11 had the nation in his pocket and could have literally done just about anything. Instead they started bungling left and right.

Drones attacking the US, AL tubes that were nothing but short range missiles, WMD that was a fabrication of "someone" etc...nutty cold war like plans to get OBL and invade iraq just dumb things..

But for the longest time the people shurgged their shoulders and said "OK but we trust this guy"...

Then around Katrina the trust ran out.

Dems are bordering on the same line. Shumer (spell) is pushing something, the firing of US attorneys which sounds good but will completly flame out (unless there is something really horrible there)...US Presidents can fire USA's at will.

Eventually the stupid statements that the Dems have been mouthing will catch up with them.

My personal hope is that the surge is a success and they get slammed by that.

Robert

Posted by Robert Oler at March 18, 2007 07:13 AM

Did Burr Rabbit shoot Schumer Tar-Baby? Over Katrina? Always wondered what she did after Oswald.

Posted by D Anghelone at March 18, 2007 07:27 AM

Schumer is headed for his own tar baby...he is a flack for the left wing of his party.

Robert

Posted by at March 18, 2007 07:59 AM

Posted by D Anghelone at March 18, 2007 07:27 AM

I would add this.

The big problem right now is that the Administration is just inept at almost every turn. These guys cant even fire their own attorneys' competently.

Idiots.

Robert

Posted by at March 18, 2007 08:02 AM

We will see how hard a Democrat friendly liberal press machine is on the likes of Pelosi, Reid and Obama. My guess is not very. They haven't been so far and the honeymoon should be over.

Posted by Bill Maron at March 18, 2007 08:56 AM

Then around Katrina the trust ran out.

Ok, Robert; tell us what Katrina have to do with Valerie Plame? It seems to me that you can't argue Rand's point, so you bring in a non-sequitor straw-man that you can beat the hell out of.

Then again, we have gone over this before, so I guess the fact that you make up BS to hide your ignorance isn't news either.

Posted by Leland at March 18, 2007 10:38 AM

Posted by Leland at March 18, 2007 10:38 AM..

Katrina has nothing to do with VP but it has everything to do with this administrations "standings" in public opinion.

The "run" that this administration got after 9/11 was to essentially cover up incompetence at almost all levels with a sort of trust given by "danger".

By the time Katrina came around that trust was wiavering and as Bush said "heck of a job Brownie" while people were being pulled off the roofs of flooded NO the American people more or less figured out "these guys dontknow what they are doing".

The VP thing is absolutly "nothing" really, except what it is is well everything. It is in the minds of the American people an administration that simply cant tell the truth.

That is why the US attorney thing is so bad. Had Gonzales just come out and said "we fired these people this is what we can do"...it would have gone away. It will go away eventually anyway but only after chipping away more at what little credibility this administration has.

People like Rand and I guess you are fighting the wrong war. It isnt about VP being covert...it is "why did they attack her anyway"...

Robert

Posted by Robert G. Oler at March 18, 2007 10:57 AM

People like Rand and I guess you are fighting the wrong war.

But not every war as you do in each post. Staying somewhere in the vicinity of the topic would help in keeping it in sight.

Posted by D Anghelone at March 18, 2007 11:56 AM

Posted by D Anghelone at March 18, 2007 11:56 AM
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as in love the "big picture" is the most important thing...

Robert

Posted by Robert G. Oler at March 18, 2007 12:57 PM

The VP thing is absolutly "nothing" really, except what it is is well everything.

John Kerry couldn't have written it better.

Posted by Leland at March 18, 2007 01:03 PM

Keep thinking that as this aadministration melts.

Robert

Posted by Robert Oler at March 18, 2007 03:08 PM

Robert,

It's a lame duck administration. What is going on is jocking for who is going to take the next administration. The VP isn't going to run. Katrina has nothing to do with Valerie Plame.

I think you needs civic's lesson.

Posted by Leland at March 19, 2007 06:25 AM

Posted by Leland at March 19, 2007 06:25 AM..

Katrina has everything to do with VP and the Iraq war and the firing of the US Attorneys etc.

They are all examples of an administration whose regard for the "truth" is callous at best and at worst is one attempt after another to decieve the public coupled with gross incompetence.

The "air" going out of this administration has some to do with being a lame duck but not so much.

It is one self inflicted wound after another, that are finally starting to bleed them out. These guys were incompetent to start with...its just 9/11 gave them a pass. And in the process they learned how to lie.

Both are catching up with them.

In your defense uberallis of this administration you need to consider one thing...they couldnt even fire their own attorneys with competence...

go figure.

Robert

Posted by at March 19, 2007 08:15 AM

I'm not defending the administration. I pointing out the irrationale absurdity of your arguments. It's hard to take your criticism of the administration seriously when you are having to try and connect very detached issues as some related concern.

For a recap, you taken the Valerie Plame to Katrina and now to the firing of US attorneys. Any other non-sequitor topics you want to bring into the discussion? You haven't mentioned the China/EP-3C incident, yet. Maybe if you throw out enough topics, you might convince someone you at least are aware of news events, even if you don't know what actually happened.

Posted by Leland at March 19, 2007 08:56 AM

Leland.

Fine bring the EP3 into it...they are all symptoms of the same desiese...a stunning lack of competence REPEAT COMPETENCE in dealing with problems.

Two points.

One can differ with administrations on policy and that is the give and take of politics. But competence is another matter...that is a skill whose judgment on performance is seperate from the procedure it is executing. J. E. Carter might have had some bad politics but the COMPETENCE of his administration was singularly lacking in almost every effort.

I have never seen an administration as incompetent as his..UNTIL THIS FRACKEN ONE. THEY CANT get anything correct. They cant even "lie" good. Scooter casting about as to "what he said and when he said it" is on par with the blame Harriet, blame the dog, now blame the chief of staff ot the USAG or well finally just say "Mistakes were made"....Katrina. Bush is in California playing air guitar as the hurricane bears down on a city where the preperations are nothing short of "bad"...and then his response in the next day or two is to fly over at 20,000 feet. (Boston Legal did a great mocking of that).

AT BEST Leland they are incompent at the message the presenation to the American people...and at worst sadly a real worst, they are incompetent at the execution of policy. No where is that more stunning then Iraq. I watched "Smoking Gun Condi" on NBC trying desperatly to plead for more time...and I was reminded of her clever statment "The troops will be in Iraq as long as necessary and not a day longer"...what a nitwit.

Second. symptoms if isolated might be the desiese but when they are across the board, when they are invested in everything that is done, then there is some underlying problem.

Saying the problems are isolated in this administration is about like saying "NASA just got the foam analysis wrong on Columbia"...LOL

I honestly feel sorry for people like you, Mark W. etc. You are all true believers (dont worry the other side has them as well...go loooooook at the toadies who follow JOhn Edwards)...and you cant get passed that.

Bush has hosed you guys. He hosed himself by having incompetents for adviosr, he has hosed the country by one badly executed hting after another, but he has hosed folks like you.

I was a part of the GOP Primary that sent Bush foward in 00...(NH for McCain, etc). You could see the true believers who thought they had found Reagan.

Problem is...I knew Ronald Reagan, Bush is no Ronaldus the Great. He is J.E. Carter with a right wing slant.

Robert

Posted by Robert G. Oler at March 19, 2007 09:25 AM

Robert,

The only problem with the federal response to Katrina was the unprecedented and impossible response demanded.

If you can say what was wrong in the firing of the U.S. Attorneys then I'd like to hear what. Is there something in Constitutional or statutory law that was violated?

Has the incompetence been in actions taken or in not satisfying who will not be satisfied?

Posted by D Anghelone at March 19, 2007 11:59 AM

> Bush is no Ronaldus the Great. He is J.E. Carter with a right wing slant.

"Right wing slant"? Apart from surrendering in Iraq, what more could Bush do to move himself further left in your eyes, Robert? He's already expanded social programs faster than any other US President since Kennedy. If he were a Democrat, the left would be hailing him as the reincarnation of JFK.

Of course, I remember the time you claimed Ronald Reagan was a closet leftie, and you also thought Howard Dean was a moderate. So, I probably shouldn't expect any rhyme or reason in the way you classify politicians. :-)

Posted by Edward Wright at March 19, 2007 12:19 PM

Posted by D Anghelone at March 19, 2007 11:59 AM

I dont think that anything is wrong with people who serve at the Pleasure of The President of The United States being told that the pleasure of their service was over.

I dont think I said that anything was wrong with Bush firing them.

WHAT WAS DONE ineptly was how they were fired. INSTEAD of Alberto standing up and saying "They were asked to resign because all USA's serve at the Pleasure of The President"...

they started some song and dance about how it was for performance, then Harriet Miers suggested it, then this, then dog suggested it then blah blah...and now they are a barrel of shit and the turds are floating by.

To quote a former professor the problem with this administration is that "they cant make trains run on time"...nothing that they have tried in the major issues of our day has panned out. While it was perfectly clear that Brownie wasnt doing a heck of ajob, Bush was saying it; when it was clear the problems in Iraq were not "untidy democracy" (riots are not untidy democracy) or "a series of dead enders" or the WMD was not where we thought and said we knew it was... every one in the Administration kept speaking the chosen lines.

Finally with Katrina...the people noticed.

Katrina is a combination of stupid local officials and extremly horrificly done federal response. Pumps installed wrong, valves installed backwards are not CC Ray's problem, they are incompetence on the part of Administration operatives...

Tenet's fiasco in Iraq should not have earned him the medal of freedom and no one of any significance was fired from NASA over Columbia. Linda Ham should have had the buracratic equivelent of "shot at sunrise" for her role in the fiasco.

Firing the US attorneys was perfectly fine...do you think how they have explained it was done competently?

Robert

Posted by at March 19, 2007 03:21 PM

Posted by Edward Wright at March 19, 2007 12:19 PM

Hello Ed...how is the 307 rebuild coming?

I dont recall Ronaldus being a closet leftie but he certianly was no "born again" social conservative...I do recall Howard Dean as a moderate which he more or less was in the campaign...he has since drifted some.

I agree that in all respects this administration is a big government administration...it does however have a right wing slant in its big government approach.

hope you and your endeavors are well.

Robert

Posted by at March 19, 2007 03:23 PM

Firing the US attorneys was perfectly fine...do you think how they have explained it was done competently?

I don't know what a competent dismissal would be. I don't know why this administration was hounded for an explanation as these dismissals are routine.

I think that preposterous. The Army Corps of Engineers probably has some fault for what they've done over decades but then they have been limited in what they can do in Huey Long's graveyard. The poor planning well precedes the current administration in Washington. And it's the local crud who have political control of the levees.

FEMA's response was as per plan and no slower than in other emergencies. Their is no magic to government.

And speaking of magic, why in the world would anyone believe the federal government can wave some magic wand to undo the poor, if not criminal, planning of individuals and local authorities? It has been well known that New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen so why the histrionics when the disaster happens? Hurricanes were flattening New Orleans long before it was part of the US.

Posted by D Anghelone at March 19, 2007 04:23 PM

Posted by D Anghelone at March 19, 2007 04:23 PM..

the reason the "firings" have generated some "heat" is that the Administration handed its critics a stick to beat it with. Gonzales and his chief of staff have "misstated" the reasons for firing "Mistakes were made" several times changing with each "statement">

There is no light in the political debate that the Dems are having but there is some good politics here. Remember back when Al Gore made his San Fran speech about why not to go to Iraq?

The admininstration beat him up and down saying all his concerns were ridiculous (or worse)...Al called it.

Gonzales and company cant even fire their attorneys competently.

I know what a competent firing looks like, Ford firing Schlensinger...try that one.

As for Katrina. There is/was nothing competent about the federal response to the entire event. Nor has there been anything competent about how the attempt to rebuild the levees has gone. Nothing.

There is a host of incompetence from CC ray to Blanco to FEMA/the Corps but when people install six foot flow valves backwards where the "signs" on teh pumps are fairly clear...that is as ridiculous as the "foam".

From Iraq to Katrina to yes the EP3 to firing US attorneys...this administration has been one bungle after another IN HOW IT IS DONE...much less what is being done.

Robert

Posted by Robert G. Oler at March 19, 2007 05:09 PM

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