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Ummmm....No, Dear I just heard a Fox News half-hour announcer say "John C. Stennis has just left his home port..." No. John C. Stennis "left his home port," permanently, a dozen years ago. This news story was about a ship. It should have been read, "The John C. Stennis has just left her home port." Yes, I know it sounds strange (particularly given how little gender-driven English is, compared to, say Romance languages or German), but that's how it's done. Posted by Rand Simberg at January 16, 2007 02:11 PMTrackBack URL for this entry:
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Hee hee. News media who know nothing about ships or the military? Noooo! I hope you enjoyed the photo of the captain's chair of a carrier last summer. Posted by Babe in the Universe at January 16, 2007 02:49 PMHee hee. News media who know nothing about ships or the military? Noooo! I hope you enjoyed the photo of the captain's chair of a carrier last summer. Posted by Babe in the Universe at January 16, 2007 02:49 PMPerhaps reporter speaks in Russian idiom! Posted by DensityDuck at January 16, 2007 03:34 PMI thought all ships are referred to by the female pronoun,
No, in Russia warships (not civilian vessels) are considered by to be male. Posted by Edward Wright at January 16, 2007 04:29 PM
No, in Russia warships (not civilian vessels) are considered by to be male. Posted by Edward Wright at January 16, 2007 04:29 PM It doesn't sound strange to me -- once I heard the "the" in front of the name, I'd automatically know it was a ship they were talking about. Russian, incidentally, has six cases but no articles -- no "the" or "a." So in Russian it would be "John C. Stennis has left his home port." They'd probably qualify it with "warship" or something, the way we use "the." Posted by Andrea Harris at January 16, 2007 05:45 PMRussian has six noun cases and three genders - masculine, feminine, and neuter. Verbs must agree in gender and number with their subjects, which would communicate the choice of gender for a ship. But in general, grammatical gender in languages that use it like Russian or French is just a grammatical convention, and not an anthropmorphization the way the use of the feminine pronoun is when we speak of ships in English. Posted by Jane Bernstein at January 16, 2007 07:14 PMActually US Navy tradition is that "the" is not used before the name of a ship, just as one would not use "the" before teh name of a person. So it would be that "John C. Stennis" has left port, "Missouri" is leaving port, "Enterprise" has arrived etc. And of course "USS" can be tagged on before the name, but still without "the" in front of "USS". Posted by Cecil Trotter at January 16, 2007 07:52 PMAt least they didn't say "John C. Stennis have left their home port." Is it me, or is this a growing fad? People who decide they want to sound smart will take a proper noun, treat as if it were not a singular collective but a group of independently acting individuals, and thus pair it with a plural verb. I've seen it done in many headlines lately, and it's almost always wrong. Posted by Chris at January 17, 2007 02:52 AMAnother aside, I believe the German navy (at least back WWII) refers to warships as he. Posted by Cecil Trotter at January 17, 2007 12:08 PMI believe the German navy (at least back WWII) refers to warships as he. As Mark Twain famously pointed out, there is absolutely no rhyme or reason as to how Germans assign gender to nouns. Posted by Rand Simberg at January 17, 2007 12:16 PMIs it me, or is this a growing fad? Chris, this is considered good grammar in England, where a pronoun that Americans would consider singular is used in the plural if it refers to a group of people. During the World Cup last summer, I heard something like, "Italy have played brilliantly so far..." almost every day. Posted by Stephen Kohls at January 17, 2007 06:00 PMPost a comment |