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Post-Surveillance Review Posner proposes a set of firewalls with criminal penalties and post intercept review in today's WSJ: It is a mistake to think that the only way to prevent abuses of a surveillance program is by requiring warrants. Congress could enact a statute that would subject warrantless electronic surveillance to tight oversight and specific legal controls, as follows: Destroying the negative data would be the only thing I would add to assure that Posner's robot searchers don't tell their tales to humans. I would subtract the barring of lawsuits. We need some catharsis. I would also subtract the Congressional declaration. Why should we expect the targets to give us any notice that they are on the war path? Posted by Sam Dinkin at February 15, 2006 06:36 AMTrackBack URL for this entry:
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Once upon a time, we had the idea that even government agents were just people, subject to the same laws as you and me. That was the meaning of a search warrant: it's what gave policemen legal immunity to perform a search which would otherwise make them criminals. Now, we're talking about having Congress issue blank check warrants to entire agencies at once. Do we think that just because we don't call them warrants, we're exempt from the probable cause requirements of the Fourth Amendment? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet, and a legal paper that allows someone to perform felonies like trespassing or wiretapping with impunity is a warrant. I'm really sick of laws made with "ignore the Consitution - what are the people going to do, revolt again?" attitudes. If we really think the fourth amendment needs to be repealed or revised, we've got a constitutional process that lets us repeal or revise it. At least changing the text of the Bill of Rights would make it possible to change back later; if we just redefine the text to be meaningless, we'll have stuck the fourth amendment down the same hole as the ninth and tenth forever. Posted by Roy S at February 15, 2006 07:28 AMthis is a terrible idea. it would barely change how it operates now. there are already is "oversight", its just internal within the nsa. expanding it to other sections of the executive branch is marginally better, but still not a "check". there are also national emergency provisions in fisa, but i believe they last a maximum of 15 days (im not sure if they require a congressional declaration of emergency or not). i believe that datamining must be going on. this is pure speculation, but nothing else really makes sense. according to gonzales, the reason they didnt go to the fisa court was not that fisa was slow, but that their own lawyers were slow, too much paper work i guess. if the nsa starts surveilling someone, then within 72 hours goes to the fisa court and requests a warrant, and is denied, what happens? presumably all that happens is they have to stop their surveillance, and no punishments are given out. if that is the case, i cannot think of a good reason to ignore fisa other than datamining. if anyone can think of any other reason (perhaps merely arrogance?) let me know. Posted by fdguhrh at February 15, 2006 01:51 PMEco-terrorism and animal-rights terrorism "don't endanger the nation"? Where does this come from? Couldn't you say the same about, say, anti-abortion violence? Seems pretty ridiculous to exclude a kind of violence merely because of the politics behind it. Posted by Robin Goodfellow at February 15, 2006 02:52 PMThat was the meaning of a search warrant: it's what gave policemen legal immunity to perform a search which would otherwise make them criminals. You're talking about police and criminals, while everyone else is talking about war and terrorists. That must be the confusion right there: we're not trying to arrest these birds, we're trying to kill them. Posted by McGehee at February 16, 2006 10:25 AMsomehow the idea of a war against our own citizenry doesnt put me at ease. Posted by ujedujik at February 16, 2006 04:20 PMI too find the "ecoterrorism" exception to be stupid. As if the bad guys won't find ways to make common cause, or fund front groups, or use the exception to fclaim improper use of such rules. Why do so many talk-head lawyer/judges seem to live in a fantasy world where everything is neat and clearcut? Posted by Raoul Ortega at February 16, 2006 05:23 PMsomehow the idea of a war against our own citizenry doesnt put me at ease. But.. but.. we've accused them of being terrorists! We don't think we have enough evidence to get a search warrant, much less a conviction in court, but surely the accusation alone is enough to strip away the Bill of Rights! Posted by Roy S at February 17, 2006 08:00 AM(b) Define "national security" narrowly, excluding "ecoterrorism," animal-rights terrorism, and other forms of political violence that, though criminal and deplorable, do not endanger the nation. At least they got something right. Posted by X at February 20, 2006 03:25 AMAnimals have just as much right to exist as you or I and there is no justification for inflicting the misery that factory farming and other practices inflict on many of the non-human inhabitants of this planet. Long live the heros who risk their lives and freedom defending animals and the planet against the greed, malevolence, and destructive stupidity of humanity. ANIMALS DO NOT DESERVE TO LIVE THEIR LIVES IN MISERY!! Posted by X at February 20, 2006 03:31 AMPost a comment |