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Ayn Rand, Superhero?

David Brown at Laissez Faire Books says that The Incredibles is an Objectivist-themed movie.

I haven't seen it yet, but I plan to. I've heard many good things about it.

Posted by Rand Simberg at November 11, 2004 12:11 PM
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There are many things in this world I find tedious, but certainly on that list are Randians who think that every time someone champions achievement as opposed to mediocrity, they really are glorifying Objectivism, as if Rand invented the very notion of achievement.

Posted by Andrew at November 11, 2004 01:33 PM

The Incredibles is a damm fine movie. Add my vote (FWIW) to it.

Posted by Derek L. at November 11, 2004 02:41 PM

It's an excellent movie. No question.

Objectivist? *sigh*, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I get the same feeling everytime I read something proclaiming Terry Pratchett to be a great Libertarian author. Unfortunately to respond to the argument presented would require too many spoilers to count.

Posted by Dave at November 12, 2004 07:46 AM

It's a great movie. I wouldn't say it's Objectivist, but it's in that direction, yes. Definitely non-PC, kind of red-statey.

One other thing I found pleasant and remarkable is that the marriage at its center is portrayed as less of a torrid love affair between Romeo and Juliet and more as a partnership in the business of life made between trusting peers. The family issues are more about doing the right thing as far as the kids are concerned, and less about making sure mommy and daddy are perfectly emotionally and sexually fulfilled.

Oh, and as a middle-aged overweight parent myself, I found the middle-age jokes hilarious.

Posted by Carl Pham at November 12, 2004 11:07 AM

Agreed, a good movie, well worth the price. My wife, who doesn't like 'cartoon movies' at all liked it as well. Kept the kids (10 and 4) in their seats until the end.

I don't know about Objectivist. Or red-statey. But I prefer not to load down my entertainment with heavy meaning - I enjoyed it for what it was.

Posted by Brian at November 13, 2004 07:18 PM

>There are many things in this world I find >tedious, but certainly on that list are >Randians who think that every time someone >champions achievement as opposed to mediocrity, >they really are glorifying Objectivism, as if >Rand invented the very notion of achievement.

I'd love to see the passage where I assert that "The Incredibles" "glorifies Objectivism." What I have pointed out in a more recent blog, commenting myself on the movie (as opposed to quoting the comments of many many mainstream reviewers) is that the "movie does indeed idealize joyous actualization of one's potential, which rightly reminds everybody of Rand's vision of egoistic individualism." But the link on this tramsterrestroa web page points to a blog of 11/9 in which I _merely collate_ the remarks of probably non-"Randian" reviewers (for example, publishing in the New York Times) who detected Randian-like themes in the movie. One reviewer wonders whether Mr. Incredible's bearing of a globe Atlas-like on his shoulders is intended to allude to Atlas Shrugged. That 11/9 blog consists of reporting on a widespread perception about the movie, not my own opining about the movie; I hadn't yet even seen the movie at that point. Perhaps it's best to read what one is attacking before one attacks it.--David M. Brown

Posted by David M. Brown at November 25, 2004 06:08 PM


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