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I suspect we'll both have commentary on it. And I concur re: the Red Planet. We seem to have trouble keeping our eye on the ball, perhaps because the generic topic of expanding into the universe is too big a ball to see.
Posted by Rand Simberg at June 16, 2004 09:43 AM
I should add that it would have been nice to see an asteroid or comet or two in that montage of planets farther into the report.
Posted by Rand Simberg at June 16, 2004 09:45 AM
And how about the title, "A Journey to Inspire, Innovate, and Discover"? Ack.
But the report looks pretty interesting.
Posted by Karl Hallowell at June 16, 2004 09:55 AM
Proof of lunar hydrogen (i.e. water ice that can be mined easily) would make the Moon the #1 priority for me, by far.
Lunar mined LH2 would open up the solar system.
Otherwise, Mars has the most easily exploitable resources of any destination beyond LEO. NEOs are a good resource, yet will not excite the public, at least IMHO.
As was recently written at Jeff Foust's Spacereview site, video footage will be the most lucrative space export to Earth for a long time to come.
Posted by Bill White at June 16, 2004 10:38 AM
From page 30:
First they note the shuttle can carry 55,000 pounds to LEO; Saturn V could carry 250,000 pounds to LEO; and heavy lift EELV (DeltaIVH?) can lift 50,000 pounds to LEO. Then they say:
[quote]The missions to be undertaken as part of the exploration vision will likely require a lift capability beyond todays Space Shuttle and EELVs.[/quote]
Good! Delta IVH ain't big enough.
Posted by Bill White at June 16, 2004 11:12 AM
Sure it is. We don't need no stinkin' heavy lift.
That's one of my biggest heartburns with the report so far.
Posted by Rand Simberg at June 16, 2004 11:28 AM
Bill,
Yea, but that whole picture of a Shuttle C vehicle doesn't give me warm fuzzies about NASA sticking to the private contracting for that heavy lift capability, nor even some analysis on whether heavy lift is really necessary. I suspect that Bigelow being able to put up something on a Falcon V might prove that heavy lift isn't required if you think intelligently about it.
I've got more commentary on the report on Rocketforge.
Posted by Michael Mealling at June 16, 2004 11:31 AM
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"Good! Delta IVH ain't big enough."
I rather suspect it would be better to have a large fleet of small craft, each capable of lifting a ton to LEO, than Shuttle C or a jumbo-sized Delta IV.
Less to loose if there is a failure on launch, cheaper to operate per flight, and if you need to scrap a particular model of lifter, it's easier than scraping a mega booster.
Posted by Brian at June 16, 2004 02:06 PM
The picture only shows PART of Mars as well as PART of the moon, with stars in the background. That seems to fit "Moon, Mars, and Beyond" - Andrew, from your comments, I had the impression it was the centerpiece of the cover.
But I have to admit that I find Mars far more interesting than that desiccated ball of rock called the "moon." And once real space development starts, I don't think it will be that long before Mars becomes a regular destination for people. Mind you, the last thing I want to see is another Apollo-like project and absolutely don't think Mars should be an exclusive goal. But I do think it is a very important one.
Posted by VR at June 16, 2004 02:18 PM
Actually, is NASA heeds to commission recommendation and leaves lifting to private industry, then the point of heavy lift _should_ become moot. The marketplace should be left to sort itself out.
But of course this can be bolloxed up again, if NASA declares that they absolutely need this capability to do something that they "must do according to the Vision"
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