No, not the garden kind. Warning, geeky stuff ahead.

I just made the mistake of upgrading from Redhat 7.3 to 8.0. I don't know why I never learn. I've never done a major-number RH upgrade without fubaring my machine.

It crashes on install because it's got some kind of disagreement with XFree86 4.2. My version isn't a Redhat package. I installed it from tarball on a previous upgrade (to 7.2), otherwise I wouldn't have had X at all.

Despite the crash, it rebooted into what appeared to be 8.0, with the Bluecurve desktop theme.

But my menus are all bolloxed up. Turns out RH has standardized the Gnome 2.0 menus in Bluecurve, and they neglected to include a menu editor, so I'm stuck with them as is, unless I manually edit it. Finding out how to do this has been painful. There are a few comments on the boards, but they're mostly cryptic, and unhelpful.

However, for anyone who's been having the same problem, I finally found a How-To here.

I don't know if it works, but at least it's somewhat clearly written. I'll update on whether it's useful or not a little later.

I use KDE, but I agree that the default menu layout in 8.0 for both environments is pretty sketchy. Lots of good useful stuff is hidden under "Extras".