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Opposed To War In Iraq The Libertarian Party continues to dig their own political grave. Posted by Rand Simberg at August 08, 2002 12:29 PMTrackBack URL for this entry:
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I was a card carrying libertarian for years, untill sept. 11.They need to read up on Ayn Rands'take on defense.You can't have a free society if you've been defeated by barbarians. I'm to old to learn to speak "diaperhead". Posted by Curtis Kreutzberg at August 8, 2002 01:13 PMI'd make a comment about the shit they've been smokin, but I remember the last time I made a reference to the Libertarian Party and dope. Posted by OmbudsGod at August 8, 2002 01:55 PMYes, and it was deserved (what happened to you, not your comment). ;-) It's quite possible to be a Libertarian (and a libertarian) without any pharmacological aids, and to imply otherwise is brute and false ad hominem, plain and simple. Posted by Rand Simberg at August 8, 2002 02:00 PMPerhaps it's all to the good. As a member of the Libertarian Party, I am both outraged and mystified over the Party's press release on Iraq. Where do I begin? Hussein has been stoking up the heat in the Middle East by making payments to families of suicide bombers, shunning UN inspectors from affirming that Iraq no longer is producing weapons of mass destruction, and brutally maintaining his grip over the country while starving its citizens. I joined the LP in '96, after growing up in a liberal Democratic family, because I FINALLY came to the conclusion that liberty is the ultimate goal, with reason being its foundation, and that the LP was the party that best represented those beliefs. Yet I am simply stunned that the party's misconceptions on foreign policy lead to such foolish positions. Curtis, I really hope you reconsider leaving the LP. The LP NEEDS libertarians like you because you think for yourself and do not follow the "party line." As difficult as it may be, this is PRECISELY the time when LP members need to make clear the party's foreign policy positions are hurting the party. Not because they're unpopular, but because they are wrong. We need to defend ourselves from those who want to kill us. And if it means that we need to attack first, then so be it. The LP's position also hurts because not all Libertarians (small or large l) agree with it! And so when someone comes up to me and says, "hey, I heard Libertarians don't want to attack Iraq," you end up in an argument you'd rather not get into. Sorry that this is so long (I didn't have enough time to make it shorter), but this just irritates the bejeezzus out of me. That's because stupid releases like this only lead to confusion and libertarians like Curtis to leave the party. Posted by Russ Lemley at August 8, 2002 05:17 PMLPers need to remember that those of us who are willing to help them get statewide ballot status when there's not a good Republican to vote for will stop doing that if they offend us too much. Posted by James Haney at August 9, 2002 01:18 AM4 points: (1) The Libertarian Party is an oxymoron. (2) The LP concern about attacking (3) Libertarians object to *initiation* of (4) The following "argument" (which I have " Saddam Hussein is a ruthless dictator. True enough, but there are dozens of ruthless dictators [...] Is Bush going to send troops to topple them all?" The answer is: nope - not all - too bad - Though I consider myself a Republican, I campaigned with the LP in 1996, since I saw Dole as the Mondale sacrifical lamb up against Clinton, and I had about as much enthusiasm for Dole/Kemp as Mondale/Ferraro generated in Democrats. So I've seen the LP up close at the grassroots level, and while we're talking about "fantasy ideology," I must say that while the LP is shut out of the game by ballot access and campaign fundraising laws (not to mention the statist, pro-Democrat biases of many journalists), their ideological rigidity ensures that they will remain a marginal force in U.S. politics. LP'ers keep hoping for a breakthrough, and that the voting public will someday swing their way, but they're all too willing to sacrifice winning for ideological purity. The LP would rather be right than elected, so their candidates generally lack experience in governing, and don't have a chance at the national level, where they have to appeal to more than just libertarians in order to win. They'd have more success in a parliamentary system, I think, but woe for them, they have to compete in winner-take-all contests. On the war, the LP came out of the box with the blame America crowd on September 11, and hasn't improved their message since. Open borders and free immigration doesn't look too good as a policy stance for the future, unless we can bring liberty and prosperity to the rest of the world. The LP could point out the progress of liberty in Afghanistan, thanks to U.S. support for overthrowing the Taliban, but they'd evidently rather that we hadn't interfered in Afghanistan's "sovereign affairs". The LP neglects to have a pro-liberty foreign policy, but instead has an isolationist one. Posted by Ken Barnes at August 10, 2002 05:59 AMVote libertarian if you want: -Pay per view Super Bowls and World Series And out of respect, I didn't even mention child molestation and drug abuse. Posted by The Sanity Inspector at August 12, 2002 12:42 PM1. I think the proposal was a stupid move. I say this as a LP member. The LP is better off creating unity by sticking to pure libertarian issues. 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