As we saw on Monday, there is no such thing–the only people no allowed guns in such places are the law abiding. Dave Kopel and Glenn Reynolds have thoughts.

I’d like to see a class-action lawsuit against the university by parents of the injured and murdered students, particularly if any of them had CCW. That would discourage not just VPI, but other universities from arbitrarily disarming their community and leaving them exposed to nightmares like yesterday’s.

[Late morning update]

Some in comments here have some weird fantasies about gunfights at the OK Corral if those with permits are allowed to carry on campus, and that even more would die in the confusion if there had been multiple people with guns. First, I would point out that a campus like that probably has a very high percentage of ROTC, with weapons training. I think that the notion that, had they been allowed to carry, many more would have died is ludicrous. We now have empirical evidence of what happens at Virginia school shootings when people are allowed weapons, and when they are not. It’s pretty overwhelming in favor of the former at this point. I think that in the face of both theory and experience, it is criminally negligent for a university to make itself a “gun-free zone.” Particularly if it is warned of the potential consequences ahead of time.

But apparently, to people like this, making people “feel” safe is more important than actually making them safe. In the modern “liberal” mind, feelings trump all.

This sounds worse than Columbine, from what’s being reported so far. Only thirteen died there.

Of course, the gun grabbers will use it as an excuse for calls for more gun control, though probably none of the nostrums that they put forth would have prevented it from happening. And defenders of the Second Amendment will point out (as I’m admittedly doing in this post), that if people had been allowed to carry legally on campus, as they are in the rest of the Commonwealth of Virginia, that the shooter would almost certainly have been taken out long before he could kill twenty unarmed people. And it’s not clear that he couldn’t have killed even more if he’d chosen to, since it’s unclear whether he (or she, to be fair) was killed by a self-inflicted wound, or someone else.

We’ll find out in due time.

[Update a couple minutes later]

Some related comments from Instapundit. The legislature apparently made the campus a “gun-free zone.” Well, you can call a tail a leg, but it doesn’t make it one. Modern “liberals” see the words “gun-free (or nuclear free, in the case of Berkeley) zone” and somehow thinks that this magically makes the place safer. But the sign that mass murderers see is “free-fire zone of unarmed victims.”

[Update at 2 PM]

Now it’s up to almost thirty fatalities? Whoever did this was serious, and well trained.

Perhaps multiple people? A terrorist attack? Who knows? I’d think a shopping mall would be a better place for that. All speculation at this point (at least on my part).

[3 PM update]

Thirty-two people now. I suspect that this is the worst such incident in US history. What lessons will we draw from it? Not good ones, I suspect. I heard some “security analyst” being interviewed who was basically advocating making university buildings into lock-down prisons, with no classroom windows, and wanding of everyone going in and out.

[Update at 4:40 PM EDT]

Here it comes. Now they’re going on about “the children, won’t someone think of the children“? Someone on Cavuto is demanding to know what they’re doing for “the kids.” Are they being kept warm, are they being fed, are they getting the grief counseling they need?

These “kids” are college students. Almost all of them are of the age of majority. They’re the same age as the “kids” who are off fighting for us overseas, who are seeing things just as horrific, or more so, every day. Yes, one doesn’t go off to an idyllic campus in the western Virginia mountains with the expectation that they’ll have to deal with something like this, but they’re not kids. In every society up until this one, they would have been considered adults, and many of them would have already been married (or not) and raising families. The notion that we should treat them like grade schoolers, for whom we are responsible for feeding, and heating them, is ludicrous. Yes, they’re upset, but I’m pretty sure that they’re still capable of feeding themselves, and finding a blanket, if shooting people somehow caused the heating systems on campus to break down. If I were one of them, I’d be insulted and appalled at this kind of stupid, stupid commentary.

The infantilization and extended adolescence of our society continues apace.

[Update at 5 PM]

One more thought. I already noted that it was probably the biggest death toll in US history from such an event, up above. I heard Cavuto say so as well.

But I’ll bet that now that the news reporters (I don’t count myself in that category–I doubt many people read this site for up-to-date news, except on those rare occasions when something exciting is happening in manned spaceflight or New Space, and not that many people read this site, period) are making the point, there is at least one, and probably more than one, person listening to all the coverage, and thinking “You know, I could beat that. He was a wienie.”

One unfortunate consequence of advances in technology is an advance in the ability to kill large numbers of people with ever-smaller numbers of people, in a short period of time. This is Vernor Vinge’s (and Bill Joy’s) nightmare (I don’t think Vinge’s interview with Mike Godwin at Reason is on line yet, though). This is also the core of the so-called “War on Terror,” and it’s unfortunately only going to get worse as time goes on, particularly as world population increases, and the number of people on the tails of the bell curves increases as well.

[One more update a few minutes later]

What happened in Blacksburg today, and Columbine, and other similar incidents, is very similar to what happened on 911, in that it was a catastrophe, in the mathematical sense. It’s probably worth a TCSDaily column.

[Another, listening to John Gibson]

No, I haven’t listened to the other news channels, because I’m working in my office, where I can’t easily browse channels, but I think that it’s safe to say that this is the only story of the day.

[Update at 5:40 PM EDT]

Finally. Gibson and Judge Napolitano are discussing the fact that no one on campus was allowed to carry, and the fact that it was a decision by the university administration, regardless of the bill that failed in Richmond. I don’t know whether it will or not, but in a just world, this would open them up to lawsuits.

[Update at 6 PM EDT]

Brit Hum lead story: “Worst mass shooting in American history.”

Yeah, that will discourage the next one seeking equivalent publicity.

The Democrats want to establish a Department of Peace.

Environmentalists.

[Update on Saturday afternoon]

Tim Lambert says that at least some of the quotes are fake.

From Germany. As a son of a Jew, I cried when I read this.

This story of a sweatshop protest at USC is hilarious. I suspect, though, given that it’s the LA Times, that it’s unintentionally so:

Thirteen students, who came prepared with food to last three days and pillows, ended their protest after about six hours when the university threatened to suspend them and, in a move that even surprised former 1960s student activist Tom Hayden, called their parents.

“We were prepared for arrest, but not suspension,” said Ana Valderrama, a senior in philosophy.

…The students were given 10 minutes to decide whether to end their sit-in

Bill Whittle has a long essay on critical thinking.

Dr. Paul Hsieh is fighting against socialized medicine in his home state of Colorado.

This seems kind of stupid to me:

The measure would award Maryland’s 10 electoral votes to the national popular vote winner. The plan would only take effect if states representing a majority of the nation’s 538 electoral votes decided to make the same change.

State Sen. Jamie Raskin, a law professor and sponsor of the idea, said Maryland is largely ignored by presidential candidates during campaigns, because they assume the Democratic state will vote for the Democratic candidate.

OK, I can understand the misguided desire to have the president be elected by popular vote. I disagree with it, as did the Founders, who wanted us to be a Republic, and ensure that the smaller states had a more level playing field when it came to electing a president. I can even agree that it’s probably constitutional, albeit dumb, since the legislature can use any method it wants to award its state’s electoral votes. But I don’t understand why Senator Raskin imagines that making Maryland’s electoral votes dependent on the national popular vote will make politicians pay more attention to Maryland’s voters.

It seems to me that if you’re going to get Maryland’s (and other states’) electoral votes regardless of how you do in Maryland, and only need to get a national majority, you’ll put all your resources in the most cost-effective media markets in the major cities. Now it might be that this means that you’ll target Baltimore-Washington, because it’s a fairly dense area, but there’s nothing intrinsic about this plan that would make politicians pay more attention to the state of Maryland per se. And of course, it would screw over Wyomingites, who would be essentially disenfranchised if they followed such a strategy (and perhaps even if not, since the methodology would be skewed even if they didn’t sign on).

Is there someone out there who can get into a (presumably) liberal law professor’s mind and explain this to me?