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Not Simple, Not Soon...and not safe. Nice catch by Jon Goff that no one else seems to have picked up on: Basically, unless this source is bogus, or I'm completely misreading things, it's saying that even NASA admits that their odds of losing a crew or a mission using the Constellation architecture are far worse then they had originally claimed. In fact, at least for ISS missions, we're talking almost an order of magnitude worse. For ISS, they're claiming a LOC (probability of losing the crew on any given flight) of 1 in 231, with a LOM (loss of mission) of 1 in 19! If I'm reading this right, that means they expect right now that about 5% of missions to the space station will end up not making it to the station. For lunar missions, the LOC number is 1 in 170, and the LOM number is 1 in 9! That means of every multi-billion dollar mission, they've got an almost 11% chance of it being a failure. While some of these numbers have been improving, others have been getting worse. I've never drunk the koolaid that Ares/Orion was going to be more safe than Shuttle (or any previous system). Part of the problem is that (particularly with all of the vibration issues) they're being forced to put systems in that introduce new failure modes. The other is that in their determination to have a crew escape system (as I've mentioned before), they are adding hazards on a nominal mission. There is only one way to get a safe launch system. We have to build vehicles that we can fly repeatedly, develop operational experience, and wring the bugs out of, just as we've done with every other type of transportation to date. When every flight is a first flight that has to fully perform, you're always going to have a high risk of problems. Unfortunately, NASA decided to do Apollo again instead of solve the space transportation problem. And along those lines, I should say that I fully agree with Jon: Quite frankly, I'd almost rather see a gap than try filling it with a kludge like keeping the shuttle flying. The fundamental problem is that even though "commercial" companies like Boeing and LM and Orbital (and hopefully SpaceX if they can get their act together) have been providing the majority of US spacelift for the past two decades, there is no commercial supplier of manned orbital spaceflight in the US. That's the bigger problem, IMO than the fact that NASA can't access a space station that it really doesn't have much use for. Unfortunately, absent a real crisis, the politics seem determined to not encourage that to happen. And the ISS crisis, if it is perceived as one, is likely to cause a panic that still won't cause it to happen, though it may still result in something better than ESAS (not that we could do much worse). 0 TrackBacksListed below are links to blogs that reference this entry: Not Simple, Not Soon. TrackBack URL for this entry: http://www.transterrestrial.com/admin/mt-tb.cgi/10187 12 CommentsLeave a comment
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Uh, without that space station "with little use for" space tourism would still be the province of the gigglers at NSS conventions.
Dennis, without that space station, they would be going to Mir, which would probably still be flying. Also, space stations have nothing to do with the demand for suborbital flight, which is where the near-term action is, in terms of using it to reduce launch costs.
And the ISS crisis, if it is perceived as one, is likely to cause a panic
Oh come on, Rand, put your libertarian thinking cap on. The ISS will fall into the drink, but there won't be any panic. Just as Langley's Aerodrome fell into the drink and nobody panicked.
You're right that NASA is a crazy agency these days, but the solution is to concentrate on the NewSpace projects that now generate the headlines.
ISS is not Langley's aerodrome. This is a stupid analogy.
NASA decided to do Apollo
If only. Saturn 5 had a perfect 12/12 record and had over 100 ton ability. Any resemblance is only superficial.
They need to replace NASA with a single person at a desk ordering services from the commercial market.
Well... you get the idea.
Other than NASA and Roskosmos themselves, nobody panicked when Skylab and Mir fell into the drink either.
Why is any of this such a big deal compared to what the NewSpace companies are doing?
Also, space stations have nothing to do with the demand for suborbital flight, which is where the near-term action is, in terms of using it to reduce launch costs.
You know, we will never know for sure but I spent years going to NSS conferences where tourism was talked about but nothing ever came of it. It took Tito ponying up cash at just the right time and with just the right publicity going to ISS to change the perception about space tourism. Earlier space tourists had gone to MIR and no one even noticed, especially not the rich people like Paul Allen that funded Burt. Ask Burt about the timing between his funding and the final funding for the X Prize.
Without a proof principle for a market, the market would just as likely continue to be stagnent and unfulfilled. Now with Burt you never know, but with him getting on in years now, it is at least open to doubt whether it would have happened.
NASA have solved the space transportation problem, at least for the next fifteen years or so. They've prevented safe, economical transport of people to LEO for about that long, just as they were supposed to.
>>Earlier space tourists had gone to MIR and no one even noticed,
Huh? Who? name one.
The Japanese journalist in 1990 for one.
Glad to see the safety issue get some public notice. With the high vibration levels, complexity, expendability, etc the Aries would obviously be expected to be less safe then a RLV or partial RLV like the shuttle. But there’s been a lot of push down from the top to cut safety and reliability corners. For example the life support and thermal control systems are only supposed to be analyzed to be functional after one failure of one component or subsystem. Two things go down at once, no idea, no ones supposed to look at it.
Its making some folks on the program a bit queasy..
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