34 thoughts on “Lois Lerner”

  1. “Lies, more lies! Do not listen to the liberty-addicted minions of Emanuel Goldstein!”–Baghdad Jim

    (There, Jim: I’ve already done your expected knee-jerk Lerner defense. You can take the day off.)

    1. I would much prefer that people did not put words in Jim’s mouth. The man deserves mockery, but only for what he’s actually said.

      2. It’s called “satire,” Ed. It’s a favorite weapon of the “liberal” Hive, until “the Right” uses it against them. Then they whine “it’s not fair!” Besides, I don’t see myself as putting words in Jim’s mouth as using Baghdad Jim to convey the essence of our Jim’s spastic party-line talking-points regurgitation.

  2. Note, it is not just a private LLerner at gmail account, but she used the name of her dog. And she’s not alone, Lisa Jackson of the EPA also used a private account named after her dog. But hey, not a smidgen.

    To head off Jim’s lying, Karl Rove’s private email that CREW was attempting to get was kr at georgebush, hardly a covert alias that.

        1. the proof of corruption is likely to be in the content of the emails

          Yet again the proof is promised to be in the next bunch of emails. Hope springs eternal.

          In the meantime, that famous smidgen of corruption remains in the realm of conjecture.

          1. “Yet again the proof is promised to be in the next bunch ”

            Plenty of evidence in the emails released to date and let’s not forget the IRS lied many many times about turning over all of her emails, the existence of emails, and now this sockpuppet account.

            The reason why there are “bunches” of emails being released is because the Obama administration destroyed and withheld evidence. How many months of slow rolling Toby emails to come even though they should have been turned over years ago?

          2. Indeed Wodun, there is plenty of evidence of corruption by Lois Lerner. The “not a smidgen” line comes from President Obama, who apparently doesn’t care that the employees that work for him violate basic laws regulating all government civil servants, even those appointed. It’s this lack of interest in what civil servants are doing that lead to the disaster of Healthcare.gov rollout and giving root access to OPM servers to Chinese developers. But that’s just incompetence from the President.

            Corruption is there to be found, such as the VA destroying records of patients placed on waiting lists, IRS targeting organizations as a response to Citizen United, and now the rampant use of private emails with alias to conduct government business so it is hidden from the American people. This is a President that promised to be the most transparent in American History, yet finds not a smidgen of corruption when his employees deliberately violate laws designed to keep the government transparent to the American people.

        1. That’s silly. Why should Lerner’s dog have to turn over his emails? Was he sniffing out tax cheats or something? Dogs don’t even have emails. And why do you assume Toby is a male?

          This is all a Republican conspiracy to take down the first black President who was only doing his job cracking down on non-Democrat nonprofits engaging in activism.

          Think about that for a moment. What would our country be like if nonprofits engaged in activism? Obama did the right thing attacking these groups and he showed amazing restraint going after the wreckers with a scalpel rather than a sledgehammer on all nonprofits.

          Also, none of this even happened in the first place so there isn’t a need to get Lerner’s or her dog’s emails. It is just a made up scandal. None of these events which I previously praised even took place.

        3. Wouldn’t you assume a bit of corruption?

          Of course not. They obviously meant: we’re going to go to Lois Lerner’s computer, search for relevant messages, and hand them over. And they did just that. In fact they went further: they noticed that there weren’t many messages from a certain time period, found out that her disk had crashed then, looked into that (interviewed the data recovery tech, tried to figure out what happened to the disk, etc.), and retrieved many of the messages lost in the crash from the mailboxes of other IRS employees.

          The problem is that you interpret “We’re going to hand over Lerner’s emails” to mean “We’re going to move heaven and earth and do everything in our earthly powers to find every extant email that Lerner ever sent, no matter where it is currently stored, as if one of those emails might hold the cure for cancer.” And when it turns out that the IRS is just another office bureaucracy, and not a bunch of highly motivated investigators on an urgent mission to reveal a secret conspiracy in their own ranks, you conclude that they’re lying and corrupt.

          No, they’re just a bunch of office workers doing their jobs. You expect the Illuminati, when you should expect Dilbert.

          1. Now I know you’re a liar. They promised to send over all emails. Because she had hidden email accounts (why else would it be under a dog’s name?) it meant she was hiding something. Because the IRS promised to hand over all of Lerner’s emails, they should have handed those over as well.

            The fact that you don’t understand why this is a crime shows your partisanship. You don’t care about the truth. You will, in your own words, move heaven and earth to hide the crimes of the democrat party.

            Anyone who was on the fence with Jim should now be convinced he supports the criminality of the democrat party.

          2. More to Jon’s point, she used the private email under her dog’s name to send IRS information, which means that information is pertinent to the investigation.

            When you are facing discovery, you don’t get to say to the judge, “well I didn’t have to hand over that data because I was trying to hide it from you”.

          3. “. And they did just that. In fact they went further: they noticed that there weren’t many messages from a certain time period, found out that her disk had crashed then, looked into that (interviewed the data recovery tech, tried to figure out what happened to the disk, etc.), and retrieved many of the messages lost in the crash from the mailboxes of other IRS employees.”

            Wow…

            You are spinning this as the IRS adhering to court orders after the IRS lied about the existence of backups, whether or not backups were searched, and if backups were even looked for. On each of those points, Obama’s IRS lied.

            “No, they’re just a bunch of office workers doing their jobs. ”

            BS a million times over.

            Obama’s former campaign turned nonprofit was called on by the President to engage in political activism to pressure Democrats to pass the Iran Gets Nuclear Weapons deal. You can’t claim the IRS was just doing its job when clearly Democrats are using nonprofits to engage in the type of behavior they want to prevent non-Democrats from doing.

            Don’t forget, Obama’s IRS targeted Jewish groups too.

            So Obama is marshalling his own activists to attack the Jews while using government agencies to also attack the Jews in defense of a country that wants to exterminate the Jews. And the Democrat chorus will blame the Jews for the Iraq war and if this “deal” fails.

            I think some Germans used to say they were just doing their jobs too.

  3. The bipartisan Senate Finance committee report on the IRS scandal states that despite not finding every last Lerner email, “the large volume of information we have reviewed gives us a high degree of confidence in the accuracy of the conclusions reached during our investigation.”

    That investigation failed to find any direct evidence of political motivation in the handling of 501c4 applications:

    In addition to finding no emails, memos, or other documents indicating that there was an attempt to exert political influence, the report indicates that the staff asked every IRS employee who was directly involved in the review of the applications whether there had been any attempt to exert political influence over their handling of applications, or whether they saw anyone else processing applications in a politically biased way. The staff asked 25 people. Every one of them said that there was no political bias.

    In addition, the TIGTA audit that spurred this investigation also found no evidence of targeting or political bias. Let me repeat that, because there have been some misconceptions. The 2013 TIGTA audit found no evidence of political bias in 501c4 processing. This is discussed further in the Committee’s report, including an email from the Deputy Inspector General at TIGTA stating, “There was no indication that pulling these applications was politically motivated.” There is an email from the TIGTA Chief Counsel stating that the Tea Party was not targeted. The TIGTA Inspector General himself testified, before the Finance Committee, that no political motivation was found, and his office further stated that no relevant communications were found coming from the White House or Treasury.

    1. “In addition to finding no emails, memos, or other documents indicating that there was an attempt to exert ”

      You mean the emails that were destroyed or the emails that the IRS denied were Lerners and refused to turn over?

      “The staff asked 25 people. Every one of them said that there was no political bias.”

      Sounds like a compelling investigation. They asked people if they persecuted dissidents and then just took their word for it when they said no? No one is buying it.

    2. The staff asked 25 people. Every one of them said that there was no political bias.

      Did they pinky swear, Jim? Otherwise, they could be lying.

      1. So they all lied, and hid all their tracks; clearly we’re dealing with a highly disciplined conspiracy that is impervious to normal investigation methods. For comparison, even the Watergate burglars — well-paid mercenaries with experience in covert ops — blabbed to investigators. But they were obviously amateurs next to the elite operatives of the IRS Cincinnati office of exempt organizations….

        1. Why didn’t they admit this was Lerner’s email account when it was first discovered years ago? Why didn’t they turn over the emails from this account?

          This is illegal in and of itself and also shows the coordination between multiple government organizations in criminal acts. This doesn’t happen without the approval of the President.

          1. Even if the President didn’t approve the activity, he certainly seems disinterested in prosecuting his political appointees that blatantly acted against his campaign promise to be the most transparent administration ever. Either the President lied to voters, or he is incompetent now.

          2. Why didn’t they admit this was Lerner’s email account when it was first discovered years ago? Why didn’t they turn over the emails from this account?

            Who knows? I’m not clear on what authority the IRS would even have to look at messages in an employee’s private account without a subpoena.

            This doesn’t happen without the approval of the President.

            So Lerner has a private email account with messages that are so damning that she goes all the way to the Oval Office to get approval for a cover-up. For some reason she does this rather than just, you know, deleting the messages. But despite this massive cover-up, everyone learns about the email account anyway.

            Is that really how things work on your planet? Do you really think that Lerner and her accomplices are that organized and skilled in conspiracy, while simultaneously totally incapable of actually hiding the very thing they’re supposedly trying desperately to conceal?

          3. “For some reason she does this rather than just, you know, deleting the messages.”

            As has been explained to you – many, many times – deleting an email does not remove the email from the server. Every email you have ever sent or received still exists on a server somewhere.

        3. impervious to normal investigation methods.

          Not very impervious, after all, we are aware now of the private email used under an alias. But it seems the then Democrat controlled Senate Finance Committee wasn’t that interested in any investigation methods beyond asking, as Karl noted, for employees to pinky swear.

          1. To be perfectly clear, the email account tobomatic was part of the House referral to the DoJ. The DoJ and IRS were to investigate who received IRS information from Lois Lerner, that was their job. Apparently, they discovered that the email address was a private account of Lois Lerner, and then failed to tell Congress or Judge Sullivan for another year.

    3. The bipartisan Senate Finance committee

      It wasn’t bipartisan, it was a Democrat attempt to stop the bipartisan House Government Oversight Committee. And it is the House Committee discovering that the Government indeed needs oversight, as government employees under Obama seem to regularly breaking laws regarding FOI and reporting of government records. It is interesting that the DoJ relentlessly prosecutes whistleblowers under the guise of “leaking government information”, but when political appointees are found leaking confidential information via private emails, DoJ does nothing.

  4. The IRS has known about this email address for at least the last year and is only now admitting that it is Lerners.


  5. Why didn’t they admit this was Lerner’s email account when it was first discovered years ago? Why didn’t they turn over the emails from this account?

    Jim’s reply: Who knows? I’m not clear on what authority the IRS would even have to look at messages in an employee’s private account without a subpoena.

    Nice level of ignorance. Enough of your silly defilades.

    Because the IRS didn’t admit the accounts existed, there is now a level of mistrust. Yet, you and your partisanship deny any wrongdoing and call those who now have a proven level of mistrust, delusional.

    You really can’t be this ignorant. You are a liar.

  6. “Who knows? ”

    Ya, its a big mystery…

    “I’m not clear on what authority the IRS would even have to look at messages in an employee’s private account without a subpoena.”

    The court ordered her and the IRS to turn over all of her emails. She used Toby Miles to conduct IRS business, it was used as a work email. They knew about this email address for YEARS and didn’t turn them over, denied they existed, and denied they were hers but they did so knowing the entire time that it was her email. This is called lying and Obama’s IRS lied to the American people, the courts, and congress.

    “So Lerner has a private email account with messages that are so damning that she goes all the way to the Oval Office ”

    The actions of Obama’s IRS continued AFTER Obama claimed to become aware of it by reading the papers. The coverup and destruction of evidence happened AFTER Obama claimed to be made aware. That things things continued after Obama claimed to have been made aware of them shows his approval of what his administration did. Even if he didn’t order it, he is complicit in the ongoing behavior, destruction of evidence, and obstruction of justice.

    Or are you going to claim Obama has no control over the IRS or the DOJ?

    “For some reason she does this rather than just, you know, deleting the messages.”

    She did delete emails and other data.

    “Do you really think that Lerner and her accomplices are that organized and skilled in conspiracy, while simultaneously totally incapable of actually hiding the very thing they’re supposedly trying desperately to conceal?”

    You mean hiding like destroying hard drives, refusing to look for backups, refusing to even look for the emails, and lying about the existence of other email accounts used to conduct IRS official business?

  7. “Yet again the proof is promised to be in the next bunch of emails. Hope springs eternal.”

    Here, ladies and gentlemen, we see that Jim has been well schooled in the arts of polemics. He has taken the lessons of his masters to heart.

    The phrase “…next bunch of emails…” is a very subtle way of twisting and warping the truth. Well in fact outright lying about it.
    It implies that a subset of emails were asked for AND DELIVERED.

    And since no evidence was found, then ANOTHER subset was asked for.

    This implies multiple fishing expeditions which is a straw man that Jim then burns down.

    But that’s not what happened….is it Jim?

    No, what happened was a subset of emails (the years in question) were requested and FEW were given (maybe none in the very first response.

    And at the same time we were lied to by insisting that they were unavailable….destroyed.

    When that proved to be a lie then various other subterfuges were attempted. Constant battering have broken down the barriers to getting what ought to have been supplied in 30 days. And all along the way more and more lies were uttered.

    So we start with Lerner taking the 5th, we continue with lie after lie, obstruction after obstruction and we still have not been given what was initially asked for. And of course all this circumstantial evidence does is heighten the certainty that there’s more to this than meets the eye.

    So it’s not like we got what we wanted and then fished for more.

    We have never gotten what was initially asked for.

    That Jim doesn’t understand the nature of that fact and what it means to his partisan defense means he’s either imbecilic or simply cannot allow himself to admit the facts.

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