13 thoughts on “Romney Or Romney?”

  3. Came into contact with a roomful of lefties this weekend. They find Colbert terrifically funny and the Republican lineup of “candidates” to be hilarious. The first point was debatable, the second not so much.

  4. What is going to be hilarious is the expression on the lefties faces the weekend after the election. The joke is on them and unfortunately, all of us till Jan 20, 2013.

  5. Paul continues to run stronger than all the “alternatives”… but of course *real* conservatives can’t be voting for him because conservatives like war!!! What it comes down to for me is fatal flaws. You’ve got a bunch of guys who don’t understand the point of capitalism, have selective memory when it comes to the Constitution, and/or base their appeal on social issues which will end up having little or no bearing on how their presidency unfolds. On the other side, you’ve got a guy who is dedicated to veterans and defense, but may misunderstand Middle East foreign policy (even though he has studied it a lot more than you have) (and they are still better than the appeasement/kowtowing that the current president demonstrates). Sure, a Paul presidency probably becomes a veto-fest, but I can’t imagine too many better outcomes than a congress that can’t screw things up for how ever long it takes to impeach him.

    Can he win? Not sure. But he pulls a lot of Democratic-leaning anti-war voters as Iowa demonstrated, and I do think all but the country-club and corporate right who will lose their piggy banks will eventually get behind him. Whether he is eloquent or dodgy enough to avoid going down in flames over the racist newsletters is a reasonable question. It may take more than the 6 months after the convention before the general public realizes that, “Holy crap, we can actually trust this guy when he says something!” because that has never happened before and it takes some getting used to. But there are similar questions with Romney. Is he just splitting the squish vote with Obama? Will he turn out the Tea Party vote? The only thing he has really shown so far is resiliency. He can outwait the other guys. Which is more than I gave him credit for at the start, I have to admit.

  6. Rand, you should be careful of what you wish for.

    If Gov. Romney goes into the Convention with a major lead, as is likely, and he doesn’t get the nomination the moderate Republicans who support him will most likely vote for President Obama to punish the “power brokers” who “cheated” him out of his nomination. Net gain for President Obama.

    On the other hand if a brokered convention gives the nomination to Gov. Romney since he has the lead, or a similar “moderate” then the Tea Party Right will likely sit out the election in protest or “Go Rogue” and support some third party candidate like Gov. Johnson. Net gain for President Obama.

    Similarly, ff Ron Paul is the one who is perceived as being cheated in the process you will likely see his supporters vote for a third party candidate like Gov. Johnson. Net gain for President Obama.

    Actually, given the Tea Party Right’s inability to accept compromises, the key factor in a brokered convention being successful, I see nothing but a net gain in it for President Obama. So Rand, are you really sure you want one?

    Really, the only hope the Republicans have for beating President Obama would an earlier victory in the primary process for Gov. Romney, with the Tea Party Right accepting the will of the Republican voters and supporting him or some major foreign policy debacle, one that everyone agrees is a debacle. Most Republicans in their praise of Present Reagan seem to forget that a major reason he was elected in 1980 was voter disapprove over President Carter’s handling of the Iran Hostage affair.

      1. Rand,

        I see you are still not able to tell the difference between analysis and opinion. Hint, analysis is what it likely to happen, opinion is what you wish will happen, namely that some savior will magically appear to “save” America.

          1. Rand,

            That is what you would expect a fanatic to say when someone pops their bubble.

            Do you have any scenarios where a brokered convention would lead to a win for the Republicans? Who do you think your savior will be? How will they win the nomination through a brokered convention given they are not running now? Or does your silence indicated you haven’t thought that far ahead?

    2. Yeah, gas lines and malaise had nuttin’ to do with it. /sarc

      Reagan won because when he spoke people said… ‘Yeah’

      His values were American values. Nobody remembers what those are anymore. The marxists control both education and media in this country.

      Listen to any of Reagan’s speeches on utube and it still has more impact than anything by anyone else today.

      the Tea Party Right’s inability to accept compromises

      You don’t compromise basic principles.

      1. Ken,

        [[[Yeah, gas lines and malaise had nuttin’ to do with it. /sarc]]]

        You seem to have trouble being able to tell the difference in meaning between “a major reason” and “the major reason”

        Also I assume you know what triggered the gas lines? It was a result of panic buying when President Carter suddenly deregulated the price for domestic oil that President Nixon (a Republican if you recall) had put in place. The result of the sudden deregulation was that prices shot up to match the global market price which had risen due to the Iran Revolution cutting Iranian oil production. The public rushed to buy gas to beat the price increases creating a demand surge resulting in a shortage, one that disappeared when increased production caught up with the new level of demand. Incidently, President Carter’s deregulation of oil prices help triggered the 20 year decline in oil prices as market forces bought new supplies online, one factor in the economic recovery President Reagan took credit for, along with the results of President Carter’s deregulation of transportation. So I guess President Carter’s reward for deregulation was punishment at the polls. So much for voters supporting free markets and free enterprise…

        BTW President Carter also deregulated the Beer industry allowing home brewers to make their own, leading to the micro-brew revolution, so next time you drink a glass of your favorite micro-brew you might lift it in thanks for President Carter’s “Marxist” economic policy of deregulation 🙂

        [[[You don’t compromise basic principles.]]]

        Politics is the art of compromise, those not willing to do so are doomed to roam the fringes ranting like you and Rand instead of moving things forward. And calling anyone who disagree with you a Marxist doesn’t help you win friends or build influence.

  7. I would not call it derangement. I consider myself a Tea Partier, and I have definitely not decided to vote for Romney if he is the nominee. Last time around I wrote someone in rather than hold my nose for McCain. A vote is too valuable and rare to waste the nuances of it on just anybody.

    Do you vote for Romney and send the message that it’s okay for the RNC to keep backing RINOs? Or do you write in Johnson or Paul and let them know they won’t get your vote until they put up a candidate who is worthy of it? It’s not an obvious answer at all for me. I don’t like Obama, but I don’t buy that 4 more years of him with a Republican congress would be worse than the alternative of Romney with 2 years of carte blanche and a blank check – last time that happened we go the W disaster. And if my vote against Romney means the party gets behind someone like Rubio or Ryan in 2016, then it’s worth it.

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