The problem is that they will probably be successful at shutting down Fox News, as well as all opposing viewpoints. Communists usually are.
I think they’ll fail hard at the task, Ken. The problem is that they’re trying to do an alchemy that doesn’t work, turn a modest amount of money into crushing public disapproval of a particular ideological wedge of news. Instead, I think they’re just taking money from suckers. The only people who’ll take their “sabotage and guerilla warfare” seriously, already don’t watch these news sources.
On the other hand, Fox didn’t exactly distinguish themselves with their reporting fearmongering about Fukushima Daiichi.
I agree, rickl, and that’s part of the problem. Fox News, far from being extreme right, is very much a Rockefeller Republican station. As such, it is ill-equipped to go up against the Communist Left.
This is another example of Reynolds’ Law. Media Mattes wants to attack the “idea” of conservatism, but rather than actually attack the idea they attack the symbols of the idea. They seem to believe that if they force Fox News off the air this will somehow harm conservatism.
Naturally this is pretty stupid. Fox News only exists because many Americas are conservative by nature, and wish to watch a conservative news channel. If Fox News disappeared today another channel would appear to take its place. This cycle will continue until either (1) liberals somehow use the law to prevent conservatives from airing their opinions, or (2) liberals (or another ideology) converts all conservatives away from their previous ideology, thus destroying the demand for conservative news.
If Fox News disappeared today another channel would appear to take its place.
Really? Fox exists because it makes Rupert Murdock money. If/when, for whatever reason, that stops, Fox as it is today will go away. It will not be replaced, for the same reason that no other non MSM cable stations have tried to emulate Fox’s success. I’m not sure what that reason is, but it’s something to be concerned about.
I quit watching TV on Election Night 2008, except for baseball.
Now I get all of my news from the internet and talk radio. I have more sources and opinions than I know what to do with. I don’t miss TV news.
I forgot to say in my previous comment that I don’t watch Fox either.
Now I get all of my news from the internet and talk radio. I have more sources and opinions than I know what to do with. I don’t miss TV news.
This.
Media Matters is squabbling over the twitching carcass of a dinosaur that hasn’t yet realized what all that noise was about, coming from down in Mexico, and boy it sure is hot with all this molten rock raining down I wonder what caused that?
Let ’em. Whether they can or can’t take down Fox News only matters if you’re keeping score at a jousting tournament during the age of internet poker.
My favorite part of the MM diatribe is their,
“…Fox is the epicenter of conservatism, and the Republican Party mouth piece. They are not objective and should be shut down!”
I don’t think Fox is the Republican Party mouth piece and they certainly aren’t issuing marching orders. They had plenty of bad things to say about Bush and TARP for just one example. Fox certainly doesn’t lean as far right as the Big 3 lean goes left. And why is it wrong to have ONE such voice amid dozens of others? I know they allow competition between the others, why not allow Fox it’s time? Could it be they are afraid the rubes might see that fool behind the curtain? Or is it the numbers of viewers they’ve lost TO Fox that burns their beans?
A few years ago when they were polled the majority of MSM journalists considered themselves moderate. Over 50% said they were. Only 6% identified themselves as conservative. If they are moderate, where is the moderate view?
Better still, where is their NULL view?
I took a journalism / writing type class in 10th grade. The instructor told us that reporters are supposed to get the facts, write them concisely and with enough entertainment value to hold the reader, so the newspaper sells and the reporter gets paid. She said, “reporters REPORT, columnists OPINE!!” She was obviously an old fashioned type thinker. Actually, I don’t know that journalists ever did that in America. If they had, we’d still have British accents, eh wot?
If journalists were true to their (supposed) Journalists Creed, they’d be truthful first, just tell the story and let US figure out the angles based on the facts. If they’ll just report the story factually, then I can make up my own mind…wait, what a great way to do things.
We give you the facts, you make up your own mind!!
That seems too ‘wordy’ somehow.
Honestly, I don’t get how anyone can say Fox isn’t fair. They have both sides represented on many daily issues. Sometimes they have a better lib talking head than the conservative talking head. And Fox is not like George Snuffleupagus et al, on Sunday morning news shows either. (I know, he’s gone now) It’s that I specifically remember his show from early on after we went into Iraq.
“…this morning we’ll talk about the War in Iraq, from the Democrat side we have Sen John Kerry, and representing the Republicans…Sen ARLEN SPECTER…”
(EMPHASIS MINE)
Yeah, that’s a good and equal debate. Kerry must have been very persuasive, Arlen joined him on the left a few years later, huh?
And finally, anyone who gets ALL their news from one outlet deserves what they get. Stupidity.
Who still gets their news from the professional newsertainment media?
Agree with Andrea and Der Schtumpy. I don’t see the problem with Fox News, but although it may be the lone cable news right of center, it’s not very conservative (looking at you, Shep). At the same time, I rarely get news from television and the professional newsertainment. Indeed, the first time I saw a news story on the Japan tsunami on TV was a special Fox News 1 hour special showing the 1st week of coverage. I watched it just to see how bad it (their coverage) was. After it, I was surprised all of Japan isn’t glowing with radiation.
I pay scarcely any attention to Media Matters, so I know nothing about its operations, other than the fact it gets George Soros funding. Now I see from the linked article that David Brock founded the outfit. I had no idea Brock remained politically active after his defection to the left and his insane rantings about vast right-wing conspiracies. I thought he faded into oblivion after that. He could have been waiting tables in a Stuckey’s in Scranton for all I knew.
It’s hard to get exited about defending moderates from extremists. Let Fox grow some grit, and while they are at it, stop hiring the Roves and Williams types.
Let Fox grow some grit, and while they are at it, stop hiring the Roves and Williams types.
They could also lose Gerrrrraldo and Shemp Smith.
Who still gets their news from the professional newsertainment media?
Much of the Progressive Left, which gets its “news” from Jon Leibowitz and that other clown over on Comedy [sic] Central when they aren’t being told what to think by NPR.
This cycle will continue until either (1) liberals somehow use the law to prevent conservatives from airing their opinions, or (2) liberals (or another ideology) converts all conservatives away from their previous ideology, thus destroying the demand for conservative news.
also is looking for ways to turn regulators in the U.S., U.K., and elsewhere against the network.
Yep, shut up or die. Always a classic.
MMFA should lose their tax exempt status over this. Fox has a broad mix of political views and they never get credit for it.
OK, I’ll bite, if Fox doesn’t hire people from both sides of the political scene, how would they be any different than the lefty MSM wing nuts? I absolutely despise GerrrrladDOH. (he’s just another part-Latino with a fake trilling of Spanish names, the guy was raised Jewish for crying out loud!!) But, he’s there FOR the debate. I think that is Fox’s strength, they give both sides and have from their start.
Fox might make the rubes think for a second about events of the day or politics. If there’s anything the left hates, it’s thinking rubes!
A typical non-story given all that is going on right now.
The left wants us to feel sorry for Charlie Sheen. As much of a blowhard as he can be, only Bill O’Reilly called him a drunken rich kid. But the rest all went to the ‘poor Charlie’ thing. And we’d better not think about what a whiny, Hollywood rich kid, drunken wasteoid he is either!! Just be glad your kid isn’t on drugs was the take on him to start with. Hell, CBS wants him BACK. How can you take their news seriously when they talk about drug problems in America on ’60 Minutes’, then allow (encourage?) their top star to be drug addled like that?
I won’t even touch the hypocrisy of, Bush lied People Died vs Obama is Awesome for doing damned near the same things.
He could have been waiting tables in a Stuckey’s in Scranton for all I knew.
The problem is that they will probably be successful at shutting down Fox News, as well as all opposing viewpoints. Communists usually are.
I think they’ll fail hard at the task, Ken. The problem is that they’re trying to do an alchemy that doesn’t work, turn a modest amount of money into crushing public disapproval of a particular ideological wedge of news. Instead, I think they’re just taking money from suckers. The only people who’ll take their “sabotage and guerilla warfare” seriously, already don’t watch these news sources.
On the other hand, Fox didn’t exactly distinguish themselves with their
reportingfearmongering about Fukushima Daiichi.I agree, rickl, and that’s part of the problem. Fox News, far from being extreme right, is very much a Rockefeller Republican station. As such, it is ill-equipped to go up against the Communist Left.
This is another example of Reynolds’ Law. Media Mattes wants to attack the “idea” of conservatism, but rather than actually attack the idea they attack the symbols of the idea. They seem to believe that if they force Fox News off the air this will somehow harm conservatism.
Naturally this is pretty stupid. Fox News only exists because many Americas are conservative by nature, and wish to watch a conservative news channel. If Fox News disappeared today another channel would appear to take its place. This cycle will continue until either (1) liberals somehow use the law to prevent conservatives from airing their opinions, or (2) liberals (or another ideology) converts all conservatives away from their previous ideology, thus destroying the demand for conservative news.
If Fox News disappeared today another channel would appear to take its place.
Really? Fox exists because it makes Rupert Murdock money. If/when, for whatever reason, that stops, Fox as it is today will go away. It will not be replaced, for the same reason that no other non MSM cable stations have tried to emulate Fox’s success. I’m not sure what that reason is, but it’s something to be concerned about.
I quit watching TV on Election Night 2008, except for baseball.
Now I get all of my news from the internet and talk radio. I have more sources and opinions than I know what to do with. I don’t miss TV news.
I forgot to say in my previous comment that I don’t watch Fox either.
This.
Media Matters is squabbling over the twitching carcass of a dinosaur that hasn’t yet realized what all that noise was about, coming from down in Mexico, and boy it sure is hot with all this molten rock raining down I wonder what caused that?
Let ’em. Whether they can or can’t take down Fox News only matters if you’re keeping score at a jousting tournament during the age of internet poker.
My favorite part of the MM diatribe is their,
“…Fox is the epicenter of conservatism, and the Republican Party mouth piece. They are not objective and should be shut down!”
I don’t think Fox is the Republican Party mouth piece and they certainly aren’t issuing marching orders. They had plenty of bad things to say about Bush and TARP for just one example. Fox certainly doesn’t lean as far right as the Big 3 lean goes left. And why is it wrong to have ONE such voice amid dozens of others? I know they allow competition between the others, why not allow Fox it’s time? Could it be they are afraid the rubes might see that fool behind the curtain? Or is it the numbers of viewers they’ve lost TO Fox that burns their beans?
A few years ago when they were polled the majority of MSM journalists considered themselves moderate. Over 50% said they were. Only 6% identified themselves as conservative. If they are moderate, where is the moderate view?
Better still, where is their NULL view?
I took a journalism / writing type class in 10th grade. The instructor told us that reporters are supposed to get the facts, write them concisely and with enough entertainment value to hold the reader, so the newspaper sells and the reporter gets paid. She said, “reporters REPORT, columnists OPINE!!” She was obviously an old fashioned type thinker. Actually, I don’t know that journalists ever did that in America. If they had, we’d still have British accents, eh wot?
If journalists were true to their (supposed) Journalists Creed, they’d be truthful first, just tell the story and let US figure out the angles based on the facts. If they’ll just report the story factually, then I can make up my own mind…wait, what a great way to do things.
We give you the facts, you make up your own mind!!
That seems too ‘wordy’ somehow.
Honestly, I don’t get how anyone can say Fox isn’t fair. They have both sides represented on many daily issues. Sometimes they have a better lib talking head than the conservative talking head. And Fox is not like George Snuffleupagus et al, on Sunday morning news shows either. (I know, he’s gone now) It’s that I specifically remember his show from early on after we went into Iraq.
“…this morning we’ll talk about the War in Iraq, from the Democrat side we have Sen John Kerry, and representing the Republicans…Sen ARLEN SPECTER…”
(EMPHASIS MINE)
Yeah, that’s a good and equal debate. Kerry must have been very persuasive, Arlen joined him on the left a few years later, huh?
And finally, anyone who gets ALL their news from one outlet deserves what they get. Stupidity.
Who still gets their news from the professional newsertainment media?
Agree with Andrea and Der Schtumpy. I don’t see the problem with Fox News, but although it may be the lone cable news right of center, it’s not very conservative (looking at you, Shep). At the same time, I rarely get news from television and the professional newsertainment. Indeed, the first time I saw a news story on the Japan tsunami on TV was a special Fox News 1 hour special showing the 1st week of coverage. I watched it just to see how bad it (their coverage) was. After it, I was surprised all of Japan isn’t glowing with radiation.
I pay scarcely any attention to Media Matters, so I know nothing about its operations, other than the fact it gets George Soros funding. Now I see from the linked article that David Brock founded the outfit. I had no idea Brock remained politically active after his defection to the left and his insane rantings about vast right-wing conspiracies. I thought he faded into oblivion after that. He could have been waiting tables in a Stuckey’s in Scranton for all I knew.
It’s hard to get exited about defending moderates from extremists. Let Fox grow some grit, and while they are at it, stop hiring the Roves and Williams types.
Let Fox grow some grit, and while they are at it, stop hiring the Roves and Williams types.
They could also lose Gerrrrraldo and Shemp Smith.
Who still gets their news from the professional newsertainment media?
Much of the Progressive Left, which gets its “news” from Jon Leibowitz and that other clown over on Comedy [sic] Central when they aren’t being told what to think by NPR.
You’re forgetting option 3, violence:
Yep, shut up or die. Always a classic.
MMFA should lose their tax exempt status over this. Fox has a broad mix of political views and they never get credit for it.
OK, I’ll bite, if Fox doesn’t hire people from both sides of the political scene, how would they be any different than the lefty MSM wing nuts? I absolutely despise GerrrrladDOH. (he’s just another part-Latino with a fake trilling of Spanish names, the guy was raised Jewish for crying out loud!!) But, he’s there FOR the debate. I think that is Fox’s strength, they give both sides and have from their start.
Fox might make the rubes think for a second about events of the day or politics. If there’s anything the left hates, it’s thinking rubes!
A typical non-story given all that is going on right now.
The left wants us to feel sorry for Charlie Sheen. As much of a blowhard as he can be, only Bill O’Reilly called him a drunken rich kid. But the rest all went to the ‘poor Charlie’ thing. And we’d better not think about what a whiny, Hollywood rich kid, drunken wasteoid he is either!! Just be glad your kid isn’t on drugs was the take on him to start with. Hell, CBS wants him BACK. How can you take their news seriously when they talk about drug problems in America on ’60 Minutes’, then allow (encourage?) their top star to be drug addled like that?
I won’t even touch the hypocrisy of, Bush lied People Died vs Obama is Awesome for doing damned near the same things.
He could have been waiting tables in a Stuckey’s in Scranton for all I knew.
There is no Stuckey’s in Scranton.
Fact checking. It’s what we do here on the internet.
—
(I fondly remember Stuckey’s from childhood vacations in the Midwest.)
MMFA has tax-exempt status, and other nominal news organizations don’t? What gives?
rickl,
Thanks! I thought Stuckey’s went out of business.
Yours,
Tom
The Left will whine and cry like babies should they lose their special privileges. (e.g.: Madison, WI)
All the more reason… 🙂