No big deal. But when Glenn Beck points it out, he must be censored.
[Update a couple minutes later]
We want peace, and we will cut off your hands if you say otherwise.
Some people seem to be born without a sense of irony.
[Update a while later]
Frances Fox Piven’s violent agenda:
A leading light of the Democratic Socialists of America claims she is not a socialist and, after urging the unemployed to emulate the Greek rioters, claims she is not inciting violence. . . . Calls for the escalation and manipulation of violent rioting have long been central to Piven’s strategy.
It’s historically the strategy of leftists, from Lenin, to Hitler to Mao.
The ends justifies the means, even if the means is torching bank tellers.
The problem the “left” has with Frances Fox Piven is that we don’t know who she is. Until Beck, et. al. got in a lather about her, I had never heard of her.
This is a specific instance of a general point. There are all sorts of extreme thinkers out there, such as Pivens, Ward Churchill and Noam Chomsky. On the left, they are largely ignored. The right-wing extremists, like Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh, not only aren’t ignored, but they get big bucks to pontificate on TV.
The problem the “left” has with Frances Fox Piven is that we don’t know who she is.
Really? “You” don’t know who she is? You speak for all of the left? What is it, some kind of Borg collective?
Anyway, you’ve just proven Jonah Goldberg’s point that “progressives” aren’t even familiar with their own intellectual history.
Rand – it could be I’m not familiar with my history. Or it could be that Piven really isn’t that important in my history.
How many books have been written about Piven? Who’s her official biographer? How many elected offices has she held? Now many politicians talk approvingly of her in their speeches or books? Heck, her 1966 plan’s goal was to deepen existing divisions among elements in the big-city Democratic coalition AKA, “wreck the Democrats.”
Looks to me like she’s just another professor of sociology at CUNY.
Was Bil Ayers available for comment?
Piven is a sitting professor openly advocating political violence. I’m not sure that even Ayers openly advocated violence once he joined the college faculty.
You might be a leftist if you think Sarah Palin’s “target map” sends subliminal messages that incite violence (does that make her visual aid the “Stairway to Heaven” of of this era?) , but an article in The Nation overtly calling for riots has no such influence.
I’m hoping they decide to riot, rape and rob WAY off in the states where the lefties typically reside. The left coast and the northeast come to mind. Rioting in places where concealed carry is in effect could cause them to come to harm, IMH (armed) O.
I like how the Left is pretentious and know-it-all until “ignorance” is suddenly more convenient for them — then, it’s all “Rushbeckhannity’s fault!” One day you get scolded if you get so much as a comma out of place when quoting the quislings who disseminate agitprop down the food chain, the next day it’s like they never existed.
Beck is providing an educational service that you, Chris, should avail yourself of…
I had never heard of her.
Yet you’ve probably heard of Hillary Clinton and other influential members of the left. Glenn’s free educational service would help you to know what influenced the people that influence you. His service is letting all of us, including you, hear of her. Not really different from Rand pointing out her current activities of still advocating violence after many decades of doing so.
No, Beck is trolling the backwaters of left-wing intelligencia for obscure figures that he can then hold up as leading an evil conspiracy.
> No, Beck is trolling the backwaters of left-wing intelligencia for obscure figures that he can then hold up as leading an evil conspiracy.
That’s why Beck keeps talking so much about obscure left wingers like Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover, FDR, Barack Obama, George Soros, Julian Assange, Janet Napolitano, Al Sharpton, Cass Sunstein, Van Jones, Wade Rathke, Arianna Huffington, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. Chris, Beck does real history lessons. And none of is about conspiracies. He doesn’t describe conspiracies – he describes out in the open political work.
Yours,
Tom
Really, Chris. Beck does in depth, content rich work. He’s actually more like Bill Moyers than anyone else I can think of.
Yours,
Tom
No, Beck is trolling the backwaters of left-wing intelligencia for obscure figures that he can then hold up as leading an evil conspiracy.
What conspiracy are you talking about? What leaders? Pivens is no more obscure among her audience than SF writers are to the readers of this blog. Beck does document what they say and who in their own words agrees with them. Chris, are you trying to claim that people don’t influence each other or share beliefs? If they do, does that always constitute some kind of conspiracy?
The problem isn’t so much what various people believe. The problem is that some people lie about it to deceive others. Do you think that’s right?
Chris, are you an honest person? Do you think it’s right to lie?
Ken – are you suggesting that I’m a liar when I say I never heard of Piven before Beck went on his crusade?
Regarding her influence, I’ll restate my original question – who in political power actually says “yes, Piven was influential in my thinking?” See, influential people are discussed and/or quoted by other people.
Well, Chris, then maybe Beck wasn’t talking about you. You were obviously influenced by some other leftist hack.
I have no idea how old you are, Chris, but I don’t regard myself as especially well-versed in who’s-who-on-the-left, and I’ve known who Piven is for 30-plus years. I first became familiar with her as one of the early feminist theoreticians – nearly all of whom, at that time, were middle-aged, hard-left Jewish women from New York. I didn’t know as much about her long background in organized socialism until later, but that was true about her fellow-traveler Betty Friedan too. For some reason, the MSM, even then, preferred not to be too forthcoming about the ideological backgrounds of “movement” figures. That, at least, is no recent development. Piven is far from obscure.
See, influential people are discussed and/or quoted by other people.
Well done Chris. This is a true assertion. Now follow through…
When Beck highlights a reference by a well known current left of center person to the writings of another…
Does that demonstrate some level of influence?
Then shouldn’t you applaud Beck for providing such information and increasing public knowledge?