…that isn’t happening:
The Daily Beast’s John Avlon insists that Vanderboegh’s rallying cry, combined with some threats and broken windows, make “the parallels, intentional or not, to the Nazis’ heinous 1938 Kristallnacht . . . hard to ignore.”
Actually, it’s really, really easy to ignore the parallels. During Kristallnacht, Nazi goons destroyed not just 7,000 store windows but hundreds of synagogues and thousands of homes. Tens of thousands of Jews were hauled off to concentration camps by the Nazis, who had been in total power for half a decade.
This combination of state power and murderous, genocidal intent is nowhere on display in America today, not in the Obama administration (contrary to what some overheated right-wingers claim) and certainly not among out-of-power conservatives and “tea partiers.” It’s amazing anyone needs to point this out, but a few fringe libertarians’ throwing bricks to beat back an expansion of government is not the same thing as the tightening fist of the National Socialist Third Reich. Indeed, it’s an anti-American slander to suggest anything like it is going on here, and it cheapens the moral horror of the Holocaust.
Don’t tell that to the Democrats and their media transmission belt, who largely turned a blind eye to partisan vandalism and extremist rhetoric against Republicans for eight years but now express horror at what they claim to hear from the right.
Their libelous audacity and hypocrisy is breathtaking.
Further, it’s not at all obvious that these aren’t false flag ops by Lefties anyway.
I think Rand and I are close to 100% agreement on these charges. We do have our disagreements, but I, at least, still highly respect Rand even when we disagree.
I think I have mentioned that I live near DC. If anything like Kristallnacht were actually happening, the events that I witnessed and photographed on March 21would have resulted in open warfare in DC. What events? Well Tea Partiers had a significant contingent south of the Capitol. On the Mall were thousands of people on the left side of the political spectrum demonstrating for immigration reform. If a Kristallnacht — or anything even remotely like it — were happening, the relatively peaceful scene I photographed would not have happened. Oh — you can check out my photos on Flickr here.
Al Gore used the same imagery for global warming. They have such a limited palate of paint to use.
I’ll agree that petty teabagger crap as a repeat of Kristallnacht is utterly stupid.
And I’ll expect that you nonetheless continue to make similarly utterly stupid comparisons to Obama as a socialist, Obama as Hitler, Obama as Stalin, socialists in general as ‘Nazis’ (with no historical understanding of politics in Europe in the 20th century, and Nazi right-wing persecution of socialists and communists), and any number of idiotic fact-free “all government actions at any time are inherently liberal” suppositions.
I think we could see such a scenario play out yet.
But it will be just before the 1st Tuesday in November. That way, the Messiah can halt the elections because of some “emergency”.
Yeah, it sounds like crazy talk NOW. But if the Fit hits the Shan starting in late Sep, or early Oct, and starts building toward the end of that month, I’ll look like a Sage. And if there’s an entity capable of trumping up charges and demonizing “X” movement, it’s the current administration combined with the MSM.
If the Tea Party people had been tangled up with the lefty protesters in D.C., and rioting and fighting had broken out, you can rest assured that the MSM would have myriad witnesses that the Tea Party would have been the ones who threw the first brick, rock or punch.
as it is, when the MSM shows the Tea Party gatherings, they invariably show someone carrying an outlandish sign, or dressed like a Minute Man, long rifle, buckskins and all.
Think back last week, when the “bullet was fired” into that Dem Congressman’s office. Immediately it was reported as an attempted killing. But two days later it was lightly reported that the shot was actually fired up, into the air, and that the slug fell through the window, and onto the floor near the window. You don’t have to be Gil Grissom to know that bullets don’t fall on the floor if they are fired straight through a pane of glass.
Contrary wise, threats to Rep elected officials over the Obamacare voting were hardly reported at all.
How many times have you heard that those goons in the Hutaree Militia group were a CHRISTIAN group of
militia men? Here’s a hint to the uninitiated, saying your a Christian or going to some church three times a week and following a pastor who says he’s a Christian and he wants you to commit murders, doesn’t make you a Christian. It makes you a misguided fool. Most Christians follow that pesky 6th Commandment very closely.
Most of the Christians I know, including MY pastor and everyone I know with any religious bent either Christian or not, are appalled at the thinking of these clowns. Same thing with groups like the Westboro Baptist Church. The idea that killing cops, or harming anyone physically or mentally, to egg on the Armageddon or to get whatever move your church is seeking, is so far off the reservation that these guys are closer to Jim Jones or David Koresh, than to the Pope or Billy Graham. If these kinds of people are typical Christians, why aren’t there more people noticed doing these things?
(most of the Christians I know don’t even own a gun, much less many guns or militia type gear. In fact, I’ve been trying to get more of the people in my church to be more prepared for flood, storm, famine or hurricane. Most of them are not, and I see it as a problem in the making for them and for our church as a family. Most of them think I’M a NUT over disaster preparedness.)
To my mind, the ramp up to a Kristallnacht kind of action by the current Administration has already been in the news. And the screaming, touting kind Hutaree / Westboro stories in the news this week, IMHO, are put out there as PROOF positive that Christians are nuts and need to be watched closely.
If the federal government cancelled the election, the reaction would make Kristallnacht look like a picnic. I’m laying in a supply of bricks, and rope just in case. I understand ammunition is getting hard to find (I don’t have a gun anyway).
And I’ll expect that you nonetheless continue to make similarly utterly stupid comparisons to Obama as a socialist, Obama as Hitler, Obama as Stalin, socialists in general as ‘Nazis’ (with no historical understanding of politics in Europe in the 20th century, and Nazi right-wing persecution of socialists
I’ve never said that socialists are Nazis. And why is Nazi persecution of socialists “right wing,” but Stalinist persecution of socialists isn’t?
And why do you get so upset over “slander” of socialists? Are you a socialist?
“Dave(whicerverone)” also probably believes Al Capone wasn’t a gangster because he killed other gangsters.
It’s called “gang warfare,” genius.
Of course not — he merely trolls the net looking to excoriate people for mischaracterizing socialists. He’s a… a historian.
My understanding is that the brick idea came from Mike Vanderboegh
at http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/
As a cheap and relatively harmless protest, a mark 1a brick through a window at night sends your message to either party without endangering anyone except the hurlee. This is a hell of a long way from the Kristalnacht scenario the left and MSM are promoting. The “Big Lie” is still effective.
Someday one of these “I’m not a socialist, but I defend them on the intarwebz!” types will explain exactly why international socialism is socialism, but national socialism isn’t.
I know — I won’t suspend my respiratory functions…
Titus,
it’s just too nuanced for us to get. Like all the Slick Willy rhetoric a few years back, remember?
Gee Dave, I guess many here will compare Obama to socialists as long as he does socialist like things. Government ownership of businesses, government mandated health care or as Joe Biden calls it
wealth redistributionfair, formingmilitiasvolunteer organizations the government requires you to join. Things like that“I did NOT have sex with that woman!”
Effing A — I see what you mean, nuanced as all hell.
Their libelous audacity and hypocrisy is breathtaking.
Absolutely, but call a socialist a socialist and you’re really crossing the line.
Their libelous audacity and hypocrisy is breathtaking.
It takes one to know one and all that.
Hypocrisy? Indeed.
It takes one to know one and all that.
What are you? Six years old or something? No wonder most of your comments are incoherent.
I’ve never said that socialists are Nazis. And why is Nazi persecution of socialists “right wing,” but Stalinist persecution of socialists isn’t?
You often quote Jonah Goldberg and his ridiculous equation of socialists with Nazis. Have you changed your mind? Bravo if you have, but I suspect you still think that “socialist” would’ve been more key in Hitler’s mind than “nationalist” in the formation of the party name, despite his avowed hatred of the left-wing in general and his nationalist agenda in particular.
For the record, I agree that Stalin’s persecution of socialists wasn’t right-wing, it was left-wing. See, some of us can have actual nuanced views of these things — we can dislike left-wing totalitarianism as much as right-wing totalitarianism, while still liking some government programs.
BTW, thanks for actually allowing my comment despite the need for your moderator’s OK. I appreciate being able to contribute to the dialogue, even if it’s not exactly appreciated in your audience. That’s classy.
You often quote Jonah Goldberg and his ridiculous equation of socialists with Nazis.
Have you actually read Jonah Goldberg? Because one would never know it from this statement. If so, you might want to redo so, for comprehension this time.
Bravo if you have, but I suspect you still think that “socialist” would’ve been more key in Hitler’s mind than “nationalist” in the formation of the party name, despite his avowed hatred of the left-wing in general and his nationalist agenda in particular.
Both were key, but that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t socialist. Sorry. He didn’t hate the “left wing,” any more than Stalin did, other than any “left wing” that wasn’t under his control.
For the record, I agree that Stalin’s persecution of socialists wasn’t right-wing, it was left-wing. See, some of us can have actual nuanced views of these things — we can dislike left-wing totalitarianism as much as right-wing totalitarianism, while still liking some government programs.
I see that you are still unable to explain why Hitler’s persecution was “right wing” while Stalin’s was “left wing.” I suspect that the persecutees were indifferent as to which “wing” was persecuting them. And the fact that they were being persecuted by a totalitarian meant that both shared the same end of the political spectrum, as opposed to those who support liberty.
BTW, thanks for actually allowing my comment despite the need for your moderator’s OK.
I have no “moderator”, other than me. My software trapped your comment (and sorry, I’ve no idea what algorithm it uses). Once I saw it, I approved it. I approve almost everything other than obvious spam, or mindless personal attacks on me. Because I’m a true liberal, who believes in free speech, as opposed to many left-wing sites.
I suspect that the persecutees were indifferent as to which “wing” was persecuting them. And the fact that they were being persecuted by a totalitarian meant that both shared the same end of the political spectrum, as opposed to those who support liberty.
Okay, well headway of a sort, maybe. Can you accept that there were those, maybe called socialists or maybe not, who were somewhere in between these totalitarian juggernauts? By that I mean people who might honestly believe that unions or worker rights might matter enough to regulate a 40-hour work week, or keep children from having to work in dangerous factory lines, or who might might believe that some state-assistance like Medicare is beneficial to the populace? All I’m asking is whether you believe socialism must be equivalent with totalitarianism. I don’t think it is, but maybe you do — I don’t think “liberty” means absence of all government.
BTW, I’m acknowledging that you are the moderator. I’m trying to say I appreciate your goodwill. Good on your sense of free speech, it’s appreciated.
Emotionally, certainly. Frankly, I liked it better when it only appeared once a month (when it was on the rag.) Now it has gone from chronic to persistent. A radical trollectomy may be in order.
It takes one to know one and all that.
A lack of perspective and relative merit seems to be a defining quality of the left. Saying a few broken windows equates to Kristallnacht is a perfect example. It’s contemptible.