Without comment, other than I disagree with the headline.
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The tables turn.
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A good analysis of the judge’s ruling.
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A good summary of the current state of play.
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I can somewhat understand your disagreement. Still, I’d like to see Mann ordered to pay your attorney fees for his false representation.
He was so ordered, and we were ordered to tell him what they were. They won’t be a lot, though; just a few thousand bucks.
Too bad you cannot bill him your consulting rate for the time you spent preparing your defense with counsel. Or can you?
Ahh, a man who has had to deal with the insurance company for improvements he made to his house with his own hands. Your labor has value.
Glad to hear it.
I gave up on NRO when they gave up Steyn to save their own pocketbooks.
In the end, what is Mann going to have to show for all this? He won’t get an unconditional validation of his claims (legal or scientific). He will impose costs on Steyn and Simberg but he won’t have ruined them professionally or financially. The case won’t stop criticism of his work, or the vulgar abuse that is directed at him and every other prominent figure on every side of the climate debate. It all seems a bit like Jarndyce vs Jarndyce, where after many years the plaintiff and defendants both fail in their objectives and only the lawyers gain any benefit.
What “objective” do you imagine I had at which I have failed or will fail (other than getting the suit tossed)? He owes Mark and I much more than we owe him.
I did mean the objective of “getting the suit tossed” to defend your reputation and avoid all the costs to which you’ve been subjected.
I apologize for my earlier comment. It wasn’t meant to sound so flippant. I was trying to say that it looks like Mann won’t get what he wants and the defendants won’t get the case dismissed entirely, so the longer it goes on the greater the losses will be for both parties. I agree that Mann is in the wrong and the case should have been dismissed immediately. But if he has any sense, he should probably be looking for a way to end it while he is still somewhat ahead.
He is not ahead at all, other than having won the libel case in the sense that the jury ruled that we defamed him. He will receive $6002 ($5001 from Mark, and $1001 from me). He owes me much more than that, and he owes National Review over half a million, and probably, soon, even more to CEI. He’s probably at war with his legal team. He is not in a good place.
It had always thought that Mann’s costs were being paid by someone else who had their own agenda and could afford the risk of losing the case. I don’t know if you can or want to comment on this.
The process is the punishment but he picked on the wrong pedant.
Mann will continue to trumpet that he “won” because of the jury decision, which was the whole point of why he and his lawyers lied under oath. All the other setbacks he won’t talk about.
The media will support him in this and memory-hole everything else.
It’s the usual tactic for liars and scammers.
You are possibly entitled to charge your standard consulting rate or more for every hour you spent on your defense, travel, etc. If you spent an hour on this defence, that’s an hour you were unable to work at a paying job. Tack on your lawyer’s fees, it all adds up.
I hope you get to wring the SOB dry.
Congrats on finally beating that SOB.
The process remains the punishment…
The way this ended is absolutely astounding. Tripped up in his own lies in a case where he claimed to defamed because someone pointed out an investigation into his similar unethical behavior wasn’t very good.
There isn’t just compensation for what Rand went through despite how amusing it is to see that pudgy little man destroy his bank account. Laughter doesn’t pay the bills.
Sadly, it’s not even close to being “ended”.
Ha, true.
When will it be done? Will have have a robotics industry like the auto industry by then? Will 1000 people have visited the Moon by then? Will the first Martian baby be created by then?
If Mann and his lawyers (presumably at his direction) would make such misrepresentations in court, then it is not unreasonable to assume he made misrepresentations in his climate research as well.
He also owes ten million dollars (Canadian) to the estate of Tim Ball after losing in court up here, so to avoid that he’s just not going to ever return to Canada.
Ed, I was thinking about that. It’s not dishonesty about an unrelated thing (say women, alcohol, or money for examples), but core to both his court case and his reputation. Now we see that whatever flaws he has are bad enough that he will burn his reputation just to score points in a court trial. Why shouldn’t we expect that he will do the same when he had real interests on the line, like his career?