20 thoughts on “Lawsuit Update”

  1. I hope CEI can get some legal costs too. Knowing Mark and Mann, this thing will continue to go on, and on … But in the new political climate, maybe even demented judges will start to clean up their act in the DC court septic system.

  3. There was the trial in the movie version of QB VII, where the jury forman announces a judgment for the plaintiff in the amount of “One half-pence, the smallest coin in the Realm, for the value of the plaintiff’s reputation.”

    Do you suppose the $1000 accounts for inflation?

  4. This whole thing is an obscene travesty. 13 freaking years of being put through the wringer for a post that’s clearly an opinion is a full bore attack in the 1st amendment, to name just one helacous aspect.

    I thought Rand’s comments about Mann were acerbic, though certainly not warranting a financial penalty of any sort. Not even $1.

    I seriously do consider what happened (and is still happening!) to Rand, Mark Styne, and NR to a massive crime.

    1. This whole thing is an obscene travesty. 13 freaking years of being put through the wringer for a post that’s clearly an opinion is a full bore attack in the 1st amendment, to name just one helacous aspect.

      Thirteen years ago Rand and others on this blog were daring Mann to sue, certain that Mann would never take the risk because of what might be found during discovery.

      That didn’t work out so well.

      1. Really? He owes National Review half a million dollars. He may owe CEI as much. He owes me more than I owe him. He was shown to be an outrageous asshole in court, with a podcast of the transcripts.

        I’d say that discovery didn’t work out so well for him.

  5. Any chance for countersuits? Put the burden on Mann? Though I expect you are all tired of it all.

      1. I’m guessing they are NGOs. Hopefully, they are penny pinching after the collapse of USAID.

    2. I’m not a lawyer. My small amount of searching about this indicates that a countersuit has a strong possibility to end up in the same trial as the original claim.
      There’s counterclaims and crossclaims. I wasn’t able to get a clear sense of the difference.

      Since one of the enormous problems with this suit is how long it has taken to date and the expense involved, I suspect this wouldn’t help things at all.

      1. I shouldn’t be so flippant as this is pretty serious.

        Rand made a post a little bit ago about how he likes to think blogs helped with this societal shift, and they did. So did podcasters, dissident youtube channels, commenters waging battle under propaganda press articles, video game aficionados, and random autists finding information that only they could find.

        There were many different groups of people who resisted the progressive take overs of their niches and each one of them faced the heavy hand of censorship and in many cases, government persecution.

        Rand doesn’t get the credit outside of his niche, but he was one of the first poster boys of progressive lawfare in partnership with corrupt judges. The two tier system of justice we have all become familiar with over the many many decades since the lawsuit brought against Rand and co.

        Other victims with more visibility have received recourse but since Rand’s niche is a tiny one, he doesn’t get the same help or recognition. But I think it speaks to Rand’s, and similar dissident science adjacents, influence that he was targeted. The tiny niche is a threat to the gullible warming industry and Rand’s work has some impact in government setting policy.

        1. …but since Rand’s niche is a tiny one, he doesn’t get the same help or recognition.
          Well I think Rand did well in the penalty phase (much better than Steyn) and he had an excellent attorney in Victoria Weatherford.

          BTW this took over a decade to go to trial and what, two weeks to try?

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