Thoughts on the January 6th injustice, from Jeff Goldstein.
6 thoughts on “Of Cabbages And Kings”
Of the cabbages, I always thought Liz Cheney of all people was bright enough to see what was up with the Jan 6 committee, esp. after Pelosi refused to seat the Republicans McCarthy had selected to be on the committee. The neocon zealotry of Never Trump blinded her to the political gas-lighting that managed to first demonize and then alienate half the electorate. Precisely that half that had supported her in the past. She was her own undoing. I wonder if Dad ever counseled her otherwise? Adam Kinzinger, the only other Republican to volunteer to sit on the committee and hand approved by Pelosi appeared to be a RINO who also came across as a weak neophyte, so no surprise there. I also find it noteworthy that unlike Dad, Liz is no longer living nor working in Wyoming.
Of the Kings, we’re FINALLY starting to see some real Congressional oversight. with investigations starting in the US House. The Origins of Covid for one. Even a few Democrats are taking this seriously. My question, why did it take a change in majority to accomplish this?
Read the first bit, but not enough time to read all. However, among other things he points out wrong about Ben Shapiro’s thinking, one thing I think missed; how absurd is it that not even members of Congress are able to meet with prisoners? Yeah, I’ve never enjoyed members of Congress using prisoners as props for a campaign, but I don’t recall it being a thing that they couldn’t even see prisoners, to oversee that no one is violating the 6th or 8th amendment.
“So right now, we should be worried less about how the legacy media will present GOP members”
Republican actions have no impact on what Democrats will say about Republicans. The attack is the strategy and the attack need not be grounded in any form of reality.
When Democrats killed a cop in Atlanta over the training center, they marched in the street for the release of the Democrat paramilitaries, used social media and the financial industry to crowd fund money, and openly engage and advocate for more violence in the Democrat’s quest to overthrow our system of governance.
It isn’t shocking that the media doesn’t care about this and doesn’t inform the public just like it isn’t shocking the federal government doesn’t go after Democrat paramilitary groups. All three of those groups are on the same side and controlled by the same people, Democrats.
I believe Mr. Goldstein’s methods of punishment for the wrongdoers would not have the needed deterrent effect.
Sorry, there’s nothing special going on here. The huge lag in trials is not at all unexpected or unusual. Sure, it’s an unconstitutional breach of the right to a speedy trial, but one that’s been around for decades. Too many accused, not enough courts.
While the clueless blather in press and elsewhere about “insurrections” is annoying, it’s worth noting that almost no one is actually being charged with an insurrection-like crime. The last I heard, a dozen or so people were being charged with “seditious conspiracy” which includes, but is not limited to the planning of insurrections. That’s it as far as I can tell.
The rest are being charged mostly for the crimes they actually did: things like felony trespass, vandalism, assault, etc. And need I add that those crimes are usually very well documented due to the many videos taken of the protest/riot? That “potentially exculpatory footage” can only do so much when there’s plenty of very incriminating footage.
Finally, I’m getting really tired of the tone-deafness. What did the protestors think would happen, if they stormed the Capitol? Did they really think it was legal? Or that the general public would approve?
One thing that concerns me and should concern you as well is the combination of a riot at the Capitol with a large quantity of firearms that were brought to Washington, DC. At least the people responsible had the wisdom to not bring them to the protest. But it sure looks to me like there was a deliberate attempt to provoke a violent response from the police or National Guard. Then those firearms would be in a ready place to quickly support an armed counterattack. If the people involved with that (appears to be mostly Proud Boys leaders) were trying to start a shooting fight, then that would be planning to commit insurrection with an actual insurrection if they succeeded.
My take is that the January 6 protest greatly harmed its own cause by trespassing in the Capitol building and acting violently. Rather than invent persecution fantasies over it, I think it’s time to grow up and do stuff that works.
I think it’s telling how all this is being walked back by the weasels who caused the problems. Trump is mysteriously absent. Has he done anything to help the people who protested for him on January 6? Rupert Murdoch, the owner of Fox News now claims that he knew the accusations and slander of election fraud were false, but that he was more afraid of losing market share. A couple of QAnoners way back when claimed that January 6 was an Antifa false flag operation while the protest was still going on. We’re hearing much the same from the lawyers who pushed all those election fraud lawsuits.
Sorry, I think the author of this article is looking in the wrong places for RINOs and other enemies. It reminds me historically of the Scots in their long struggle against the English. Scottish leaders had more in common with English leaders (aside from the matter of religion) than they had with the average Scot. And it showed in the long history of lost wars and failed rebellions – the average Scottish leader usually did fine in an English hierarchy so their heart wasn’t in the fight. I think the same holds here.
Trump, for example, has more in common with Representive Pelosi, a common foe, than he does with his average supporter. And I think it shows. There’s no loyalty in him.
Of the cabbages, I always thought Liz Cheney of all people was bright enough to see what was up with the Jan 6 committee, esp. after Pelosi refused to seat the Republicans McCarthy had selected to be on the committee. The neocon zealotry of Never Trump blinded her to the political gas-lighting that managed to first demonize and then alienate half the electorate. Precisely that half that had supported her in the past. She was her own undoing. I wonder if Dad ever counseled her otherwise? Adam Kinzinger, the only other Republican to volunteer to sit on the committee and hand approved by Pelosi appeared to be a RINO who also came across as a weak neophyte, so no surprise there. I also find it noteworthy that unlike Dad, Liz is no longer living nor working in Wyoming.
Of the Kings, we’re FINALLY starting to see some real Congressional oversight. with investigations starting in the US House. The Origins of Covid for one. Even a few Democrats are taking this seriously. My question, why did it take a change in majority to accomplish this?
Read the first bit, but not enough time to read all. However, among other things he points out wrong about Ben Shapiro’s thinking, one thing I think missed; how absurd is it that not even members of Congress are able to meet with prisoners? Yeah, I’ve never enjoyed members of Congress using prisoners as props for a campaign, but I don’t recall it being a thing that they couldn’t even see prisoners, to oversee that no one is violating the 6th or 8th amendment.
“So right now, we should be worried less about how the legacy media will present GOP members”
Republican actions have no impact on what Democrats will say about Republicans. The attack is the strategy and the attack need not be grounded in any form of reality.
When Democrats killed a cop in Atlanta over the training center, they marched in the street for the release of the Democrat paramilitaries, used social media and the financial industry to crowd fund money, and openly engage and advocate for more violence in the Democrat’s quest to overthrow our system of governance.
It isn’t shocking that the media doesn’t care about this and doesn’t inform the public just like it isn’t shocking the federal government doesn’t go after Democrat paramilitary groups. All three of those groups are on the same side and controlled by the same people, Democrats.
I believe Mr. Goldstein’s methods of punishment for the wrongdoers would not have the needed deterrent effect.
Sorry, there’s nothing special going on here. The huge lag in trials is not at all unexpected or unusual. Sure, it’s an unconstitutional breach of the right to a speedy trial, but one that’s been around for decades. Too many accused, not enough courts.
While the clueless blather in press and elsewhere about “insurrections” is annoying, it’s worth noting that almost no one is actually being charged with an insurrection-like crime. The last I heard, a dozen or so people were being charged with “seditious conspiracy” which includes, but is not limited to the planning of insurrections. That’s it as far as I can tell.
The rest are being charged mostly for the crimes they actually did: things like felony trespass, vandalism, assault, etc. And need I add that those crimes are usually very well documented due to the many videos taken of the protest/riot? That “potentially exculpatory footage” can only do so much when there’s plenty of very incriminating footage.
Finally, I’m getting really tired of the tone-deafness. What did the protestors think would happen, if they stormed the Capitol? Did they really think it was legal? Or that the general public would approve?
One thing that concerns me and should concern you as well is the combination of a riot at the Capitol with a large quantity of firearms that were brought to Washington, DC. At least the people responsible had the wisdom to not bring them to the protest. But it sure looks to me like there was a deliberate attempt to provoke a violent response from the police or National Guard. Then those firearms would be in a ready place to quickly support an armed counterattack. If the people involved with that (appears to be mostly Proud Boys leaders) were trying to start a shooting fight, then that would be planning to commit insurrection with an actual insurrection if they succeeded.
My take is that the January 6 protest greatly harmed its own cause by trespassing in the Capitol building and acting violently. Rather than invent persecution fantasies over it, I think it’s time to grow up and do stuff that works.
I think it’s telling how all this is being walked back by the weasels who caused the problems. Trump is mysteriously absent. Has he done anything to help the people who protested for him on January 6? Rupert Murdoch, the owner of Fox News now claims that he knew the accusations and slander of election fraud were false, but that he was more afraid of losing market share. A couple of QAnoners way back when claimed that January 6 was an Antifa false flag operation while the protest was still going on. We’re hearing much the same from the lawyers who pushed all those election fraud lawsuits.
Sorry, I think the author of this article is looking in the wrong places for RINOs and other enemies. It reminds me historically of the Scots in their long struggle against the English. Scottish leaders had more in common with English leaders (aside from the matter of religion) than they had with the average Scot. And it showed in the long history of lost wars and failed rebellions – the average Scottish leader usually did fine in an English hierarchy so their heart wasn’t in the fight. I think the same holds here.
Trump, for example, has more in common with Representive Pelosi, a common foe, than he does with his average supporter. And I think it shows. There’s no loyalty in him.