In the long run, I don’t think a lot of people will be happy with what Musk does with Twitter. It will be different than what was but will it be better?
Twitter isn’t real life but it is a great tool for shaping the views of its audience, which isn’t the normals so much as it is politicians, government workers, and journalists. The bloodlust surrounding the war in Ukraine is a good example of how all of these groups and the normals have been manipulated.
It has been a crazy thing to watch. Take a step outside into the real world and real people with real opinions are not what is presented as representative on Twitter.
The bloodlust surrounding the war in Ukraine is a good example of how all of these groups and the normals have been manipulated.
Really twitter made the bloodlust different? Weren’t their bloodlust when the Ruskies invaders were getting their ass kicked by Bin Laden and Company. And you have to tell me was twitter a thing back then?
Or how bout the blood lust surrounding Desert Storm watching the Iraqi invaders get their ass kicked on CNN?
I don’t remember but there wasn’t blood lust when the Isreali’s whooped 5 countries at once during the 6 Day War? Though that wasn’t as televised or imaged as the more recent conflicts I mentioned.
Are you upset because of shame?
The behavior Kirn describes is nothing new. It is part of being a Progressive, always has been.
I remember my first encounter with “shadowbanning” and how Progressive run organizations behave. Remember the original Slashdot, and how you got “moderator points”? At sometime around 2002, I marked some posting as interesting. Turns out one of the admins went and secretly turned off the awarding of moderator points to anyone who did that. No one ever got a notice of that, but I did notice that I never got moderator points ever again. Heard about what happened about three months later, when the admin did something else underhanded that got undesired attention drawn to him. Left shortly after, and never went back. One of the reasons I never joined Twitter or MySpace or Facebook or any other centralized “social media.”
Remember Usenet? A lot of good stuff and also for the true connoisseur, stuff that would gag a maggot. When the various organizations realized what was on the servers they were donating, Usenet died. Twitter can’t survive without revenue mostly from adds. They will need assurance about what their adds will be next to or they will just stay away. Twitter will have rules or it will die.
The real question is whether Elon can police it and be profitable. That will come down to how much it costs to vet each and every tweet. That means that the overwhelming majority of actions have to occur with no human intervention. Appeals equal human intervention, layers of appeals mean layers of humans. How many microseconds of human attention, on average, is each tweet worth to Twitter?
What all of the controversy has shown is that “AI” is still hopeless at extracting real meaning from text. When it can do that and catch at least most of the attempts to deliberately hide the meaning of objectionable material from the machine while still being comprehensible to people, it will have arrived. It will also be the greatest weapon you could give to would be totalitarians.
Advertisers don’t care who sees their ads as long as it is a relevant audience. They will seek out the unsavory when the totality of attributes meets their needs. What they don’t like are pressure mobs giving them negative PR.
A lot of these mobs are bots, or use bots to create a larger group. Maybe Musk can deal with that aspect. Without controlling Twitter, maybe these pressure campaigns wont be as effective. Woke CEOs are throwing a temper tantrum. They can always light money on fire advertising someplace else but when the attention is off, or if it is ignored, they will go where the analytics tell them to go.
You are wrong. It’s been many years but look at Hustler and Playboy back in the day. Playboy full of ads for cars, high end booze and stereos. Hustler full of ads for rolling papers and coke spoons. Guess which payed more?
The title: “WHY GLOBALIST NEED CRIME TO FURTHER THEIR NEW WORLD ORDER”
If true, then the non-globalists are truly screwed if their program depends on eliminating crime. It’s about as likely to work as a space program that depends on eliminating gravity. They should get points, at least, for exploiting a renewable resource.
Sub title: “The New World Order is a conspiracy theory which hypothesizes a secretly emerging totalitarian world government.”
And this makes them different than any of the others since the Holy Roman Empire how, exactly?
Every utopian movement has promised to end disorder, often like the Nazis, hoping that nobody noticed that they were causing much of it.
I do not have, and have never had, a twitter account, so I’ll give my expert opinion on this matter;
The way it looks to me is that the radical left has long held sway on twitter, including via sneaky behind-the-scenes tactics such as shadow banning, and even outright banning (such as Twitter did to the nation’s oldest newspaper, plus to anyone posting links to it, for daring to report that Hunter Biden’s laptop was real).
The threat Musk poses to them is real; if he’s true to his word, the bias will largely be over. And they simply can’t handle that; they loathe freedom of speech for a reason.
Actually they love freedom of speech for themselves, for anyone else not so much.
Freedom of Speech… Is what you preach,
Freedom From Speech… Is what you flaunt.
– Almost Devo (who where almost 50 years ahead of their time…)
Spot on.
In the long run, I don’t think a lot of people will be happy with what Musk does with Twitter. It will be different than what was but will it be better?
Twitter isn’t real life but it is a great tool for shaping the views of its audience, which isn’t the normals so much as it is politicians, government workers, and journalists. The bloodlust surrounding the war in Ukraine is a good example of how all of these groups and the normals have been manipulated.
It has been a crazy thing to watch. Take a step outside into the real world and real people with real opinions are not what is presented as representative on Twitter.
Really twitter made the bloodlust different? Weren’t their bloodlust when the Ruskies invaders were getting their ass kicked by Bin Laden and Company. And you have to tell me was twitter a thing back then?
Or how bout the blood lust surrounding Desert Storm watching the Iraqi invaders get their ass kicked on CNN?
I don’t remember but there wasn’t blood lust when the Isreali’s whooped 5 countries at once during the 6 Day War? Though that wasn’t as televised or imaged as the more recent conflicts I mentioned.
Are you upset because of shame?
The behavior Kirn describes is nothing new. It is part of being a Progressive, always has been.
I remember my first encounter with “shadowbanning” and how Progressive run organizations behave. Remember the original Slashdot, and how you got “moderator points”? At sometime around 2002, I marked some posting as interesting. Turns out one of the admins went and secretly turned off the awarding of moderator points to anyone who did that. No one ever got a notice of that, but I did notice that I never got moderator points ever again. Heard about what happened about three months later, when the admin did something else underhanded that got undesired attention drawn to him. Left shortly after, and never went back. One of the reasons I never joined Twitter or MySpace or Facebook or any other centralized “social media.”
Remember Usenet? A lot of good stuff and also for the true connoisseur, stuff that would gag a maggot. When the various organizations realized what was on the servers they were donating, Usenet died. Twitter can’t survive without revenue mostly from adds. They will need assurance about what their adds will be next to or they will just stay away. Twitter will have rules or it will die.
The real question is whether Elon can police it and be profitable. That will come down to how much it costs to vet each and every tweet. That means that the overwhelming majority of actions have to occur with no human intervention. Appeals equal human intervention, layers of appeals mean layers of humans. How many microseconds of human attention, on average, is each tweet worth to Twitter?
What all of the controversy has shown is that “AI” is still hopeless at extracting real meaning from text. When it can do that and catch at least most of the attempts to deliberately hide the meaning of objectionable material from the machine while still being comprehensible to people, it will have arrived. It will also be the greatest weapon you could give to would be totalitarians.
Advertisers don’t care who sees their ads as long as it is a relevant audience. They will seek out the unsavory when the totality of attributes meets their needs. What they don’t like are pressure mobs giving them negative PR.
A lot of these mobs are bots, or use bots to create a larger group. Maybe Musk can deal with that aspect. Without controlling Twitter, maybe these pressure campaigns wont be as effective. Woke CEOs are throwing a temper tantrum. They can always light money on fire advertising someplace else but when the attention is off, or if it is ignored, they will go where the analytics tell them to go.
You are wrong. It’s been many years but look at Hustler and Playboy back in the day. Playboy full of ads for cars, high end booze and stereos. Hustler full of ads for rolling papers and coke spoons. Guess which payed more?
Advertisers are cowards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOfpYIpaAPk
The title: “WHY GLOBALIST NEED CRIME TO FURTHER THEIR NEW WORLD ORDER”
If true, then the non-globalists are truly screwed if their program depends on eliminating crime. It’s about as likely to work as a space program that depends on eliminating gravity. They should get points, at least, for exploiting a renewable resource.
Sub title: “The New World Order is a conspiracy theory which hypothesizes a secretly emerging totalitarian world government.”
And this makes them different than any of the others since the Holy Roman Empire how, exactly?
Every utopian movement has promised to end disorder, often like the Nazis, hoping that nobody noticed that they were causing much of it.
I do not have, and have never had, a twitter account, so I’ll give my expert opinion on this matter;
The way it looks to me is that the radical left has long held sway on twitter, including via sneaky behind-the-scenes tactics such as shadow banning, and even outright banning (such as Twitter did to the nation’s oldest newspaper, plus to anyone posting links to it, for daring to report that Hunter Biden’s laptop was real).
The threat Musk poses to them is real; if he’s true to his word, the bias will largely be over. And they simply can’t handle that; they loathe freedom of speech for a reason.
Actually they love freedom of speech for themselves, for anyone else not so much.
Freedom of Speech… Is what you preach,
Freedom From Speech… Is what you flaunt.
– Almost Devo (who where almost 50 years ahead of their time…)