When Ukraine, with its internal communication lines, sends General Winter to the front the Russian army will learn the lessons that the French and German armies did in previous centuries.
Wait, I thought General Winter was a Russian?
Err, didn’t the Germans occupy the Ukraine for most of WWII? The Nazis left behind their spawn, the Azovs. As to the Germans, you might be thinking of Stalingrad.
Oh and BTW the January historic temps in Odessa range from 10 to 50 degrees F. They say Odessa is the eventual goal. Let the Poles and the Romanians carve up the rest of that broke corrupt sh!thole.
Spoken like a German or Soviet “thinker” from the 1930’s or early 40’s. The Russians still haven’t got the update that Europe no longer allows countries to claim each other’s territory. Poland cannot take over any part of Ukraine, nor can Romania. Russia can’t either, and is only holding there while it’s willing to suffer about 90,000 KIA per year. Their per capita casualty rate has so far been about eight times higher than the US in 1968, the worst year of the Vietnam War. They’ve already exceeded the entire Vietnam War in KIA per capita, and the war has only been going for about six months.
* data
Current Russian population: 144 million
US population in 1968: 207 million
US combat deaths in Vietnam: 47,434 – 23.6 per 100K
US total deaths in Vietnam: 58,220 – 29.0 per 100K
US combat deaths in 1968: 16,899 – 8.4 per 100K
Days since Ukraine war started: 181
Russian deaths claimed by Ukraine: 45,400 – 31.5 per 100K
Annualized Russian deaths: 91,552 – 63.6 per 100K
George, the issue I have with your math is we really don’t know how many Russian KIA. Author of Rand’s article sites NYT behind a paywall, not that anyone really trusts the NYT anymore. And you don’t really trust Ukraine propaganda do you.
We won’t know the KIA from Russia, from Donetsk militia and Lugansk Militia for a long time after the shooting stops.
As for secure borders, blah blah, I only care about our southern border, I really don’t give a damn about Europe and frankly borders across eastern Europe seem to change every 50 years or so for the last 10 centuries. 32 years ago the FRG and the DDR experienced radical border change. 10 years after that, Czechoslovakia had radical border change. Yugoslavia came next. I used to travel Germany, Czech Rep, Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria and Slovenia for business. Its like we used to be Austro-Hungarian, before that Ottoman, Polish, German, Yugoslav, Prussian Hard to keep track. “Europe no longer…..” We’ll see after their economic collapse.
Of your examples, only Yugoslavia’s border changes involved fighting — and arguably that was to undo an invasion that happened in the 1940s.
When Ukraine, with its internal communication lines, sends General Winter to the front the Russian army will learn the lessons that the French and German armies did in previous centuries.
Wait, I thought General Winter was a Russian?
Err, didn’t the Germans occupy the Ukraine for most of WWII? The Nazis left behind their spawn, the Azovs. As to the Germans, you might be thinking of Stalingrad.
Oh and BTW the January historic temps in Odessa range from 10 to 50 degrees F. They say Odessa is the eventual goal. Let the Poles and the Romanians carve up the rest of that broke corrupt sh!thole.
Spoken like a German or Soviet “thinker” from the 1930’s or early 40’s. The Russians still haven’t got the update that Europe no longer allows countries to claim each other’s territory. Poland cannot take over any part of Ukraine, nor can Romania. Russia can’t either, and is only holding there while it’s willing to suffer about 90,000 KIA per year. Their per capita casualty rate has so far been about eight times higher than the US in 1968, the worst year of the Vietnam War. They’ve already exceeded the entire Vietnam War in KIA per capita, and the war has only been going for about six months.
* data
Current Russian population: 144 million
US population in 1968: 207 million
US combat deaths in Vietnam: 47,434 – 23.6 per 100K
US total deaths in Vietnam: 58,220 – 29.0 per 100K
US combat deaths in 1968: 16,899 – 8.4 per 100K
Days since Ukraine war started: 181
Russian deaths claimed by Ukraine: 45,400 – 31.5 per 100K
Annualized Russian deaths: 91,552 – 63.6 per 100K
George, the issue I have with your math is we really don’t know how many Russian KIA. Author of Rand’s article sites NYT behind a paywall, not that anyone really trusts the NYT anymore. And you don’t really trust Ukraine propaganda do you.
We won’t know the KIA from Russia, from Donetsk militia and Lugansk Militia for a long time after the shooting stops.
As for secure borders, blah blah, I only care about our southern border, I really don’t give a damn about Europe and frankly borders across eastern Europe seem to change every 50 years or so for the last 10 centuries. 32 years ago the FRG and the DDR experienced radical border change. 10 years after that, Czechoslovakia had radical border change. Yugoslavia came next. I used to travel Germany, Czech Rep, Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria and Slovenia for business. Its like we used to be Austro-Hungarian, before that Ottoman, Polish, German, Yugoslav, Prussian Hard to keep track. “Europe no longer…..” We’ll see after their economic collapse.
Of your examples, only Yugoslavia’s border changes involved fighting — and arguably that was to undo an invasion that happened in the 1940s.