Of course, the NYT is political theater. Every word in every sentence serves a purpose.
This could well be battlespace prep to remove first Harris and then Biden from office. They have to get rid of Harris first because she has proven too much of an idiot wildcard. They’ll then push a nominee for VP that they think they can win confirmation for in both the House and Senate. With Harris gone, the Senate will be 50/50 with no tiebreaking vote, so the nominee will have to be someone they can garner at least 1 Republican vote. My guess is it’ll be someone like Michelle Obama, since it’s pretty certain the Obamas are the ones running things behind a senile Biden. She’s also a two-fer. Any criticism of her would be both racist and sexist. Odds are that would be enough to get at least one squishy RINO (I’m looking at you, Mittens) to vote for her. Once the new VP is in place, Biden will either be taken out on 25th Amendment grounds as mentally unfit or, as this article hints at, be impeached and removed. This tactic can take place well before the midterm elections and may be the Democrats’ only hope of not getting wiped out in November.
From the link:
” I suspect that Joe Biden is being prepped for ejection. Exactly how it will happen I do not yet know.”
From Larry J.:
“Once the new VP is in place, Biden will either be taken out on 25th Amendment grounds as mentally unfit ..”
More likely than an impeachment; they might even be able to get him to resign in favor of the new VP; yes I could see Michelle Obama as such. You would still need a 2/3 vote from both Houses to permanently remove him but the cabinet could temporarily do so. Then apply massive pressure on him to resign in favor of new VP Michelle Obama.
While I can see Mit just going along with the Dem choice; Michelle Obama gives any Senator an easy no vote. Her qualifications for VP or President is being married to one. She hasn’t run for political office, she hasn’t run a government body at any level. And she’ll be adding people that pretend they worked their way into the Senate to let her jump ahead of them to the top office.
“While I can see Mit just going along with the Dem choice; Michelle Obama gives any Senator an easy no vote. Her qualifications for VP or President is being married to one.”
Supposing that said replacement vote happens with current Senate 50:50 party split they would yes need that one republican vote to make it happen. Can’t see any dem daring to vote against confirming her qualified or not.
Not sure how they will get rid of Harris first….
She has a shady past and has proven herself even more incompetent as VP. As the Democrats proved with Trump, impeachment is a political exercise, not a legal one. If they want her gone, she’ll be gone with enough Democrats voting not just to impeach but to remove her “for the greater good.”
“She has a shady past and has proven herself even more incompetent as VP”
From the link
“Kamala Harris is more of a problem. She is at least as appallingly incompetent as her boss, and no less challenged rhetorically, as her alarming performance in Poland and Romania a week or two back demonstrated. But Harris will not be as easy to shift as was Agnew. I have heard nothing about actual bribery, and acting as the warm bun for Willie Brown’s bratwurst may be in dubious taste but is not actionable.”
I agree she is appallingly incompetent her recent “let them (us) buy electric cars” remark in response to being asked to address concerns about skyrocketing gas prices comes to mind. Many other examples of such gaffes but what “shady” are you referring to? We would need some kind of major personal scandal (don’t think the Willy Brown thing is enough) to get rid of her.
Tim, do some searching on her record of prosecutorial misconduct in California. She’s accused of some very shady stuff. That’s why she was so unpopular as a candidate that she dropped out months before the Iowa caucus. She was wildly unpopular as a candidate. Like I said before, impeachment is a political exercise, not a legal one. Just like the saying about a grand jury being able to indict a sandwich, Congress can impeach for any reason or no reason if it chooses.
Conviction and removal from office requires 67 votes in the Senate. I hope enough Republicans would be willing to hoist the Democrats on their own petard and not vote to convict.
She got a lot facts against her, and they add a lot more fiction, like they always do.
It also likely there unknown facts- or it seems Dems tend to know all the dirt of other Dems.
And Harris might simply not know enough dirt on other Dems
to stop it.
“She got a lot facts against her, and they add a lot more fiction, like they always do. It also likely there unknown facts- or it seems Dems tend to know all the dirt of other Dems.”
Yes. That is what it would probably take; some kind of as yet unknown “personal scandal” that forces her to resign for reasons of health maybe or something of that sort. Don’t unfortunately think her prosecutorial abuses would be enough. Prosecutors seem to be able to get away with murder; look at for instance Mueller’s pit bull Andrew Wiseman. That guy should have been at the least disbarred. They could wait until after the likely bloodbath in November (blaming the loss on the Biden administration and then first dump her); replace her with Michelle Obama and subsequently 25th Amendment Biden. Remember the new Congress wouldn’t be seated until January they could still push it through while they were still in office.
That is the key to the process.
I don’t think they ever wanted Kamala to do anything. She was deeply unpopular when selected and they knew Biden would be lucky to make it four years. The plan was to steal the election to spite Trump and the country and worry about finding a candidate for the next election, clean slate.
What has changed? Democrats still have a shallow bench with all of their governors and mayors mired in scandals. They have no one with any stature to step in. The Democrat primary this cycle is going to be crazy.
“Only the news that fits our views.”
I have trouble imagining what would take to get Kamala to relinquish her chance to be President because the top seat became “vacant”. Stupid, energetic and Ambitious seems to describe her and not a smidgen of loyalty.
“I have trouble imagining what would take to get Kamala to relinquish her chance to be President because the top seat became “vacant”.”
Yes. The idea is that she would have to be replaced before the top seat became vacant; agree I am not sure how that would happen.
BrandonCorp won’t want to take a chance on anyone with even a shred of baggage, so no — not Michelle “All this for a flag?” Obama.
For one thing, they’ll want someone who’ll be able to call on the new Congress for a benefit of the doubt for at least a few months, and no one prominent from a previous Democrat administration could do that.
I remain convinced they’ll bring someone up from the political equivalent of AA baseball who hasn’t made any significant waves, in hopes of repeating Barack Obama’s magic.
I think they would have loved for Stacey Abrams to be a candidate for this, but her spiteful performance after losing for governor of Georgia in 2018, and her photo op faux pas with the masked schoolchildren, make her damaged goods for something like this.
Kamala can’t be removed because the likely grounds would be weak enough that 2/3rds of Senate Republicans would prefer to keep her around Biden’s neck like an Albatross.
Maybe the Times is looking to get another Pulitzer Prize for their reporting on the laptop story. (“The nominees for ‘best suppression of a story’ category are…”)
It would fit right in with their rewards for their so-called reporting on the Russia 2016 stories.
I have to agree with the Kamala stays crowd. It’s going to take more than buyer’s remorse to get rid of her. She certainly won’t fall on her sword for nothing – which really is all those handlers have to offer. And I don’t think those alleged handlers have either the cards or the competence to force her out. This is a common problem with conspiracy theories like this. The conspiracy is supercompetent at removing obstacles from their path, but then they want Michelle Obama? That’s a lot of brain damage.
My take is that the real scenario is that Biden retires for health reasons. Then Kamala has the better part of two years to act presidential. She’ll probably be the favorite to win the Democrat Party nomination. The second most likely scenario has Biden clinging till 2025. I don’t think those handlers will or can do much to change whatever happens.
My take is that there’s a huge amount of wishful thinking here – a sort of thinking “who’s the worst candidate we could possibly run against Trump in 2024 and how do we make it happen?” A Trump versus Obama II line up would be great for Trump supporters (even somewhat better than Trump vs Kamala), but why would the rest of us want it?
“I have to agree with the Kamala stays crowd. It’s going to take more than buyer’s remorse to get rid of her.”
Yes. The consensus here seem to be which I agree with is barring some kind of yet be disclosed major personal scandal she isn’t going anywhere.
“A Trump versus Obama II line up would be great for Trump supporters (even somewhat better than Trump vs Kamala), but why would the rest of us want it?”
I don’t think that I/we here “want it” just see that as a move the Dems might make. She (Michelle) Obama would be tough for Trump to run against. She is popular (very) deserved or not; the kind of personal attacks Trump is so good at might not be well received against her. Of course her campaign could viciously attack Trump and his family that would be “different” in the eyes of the media. How good a prez she would make if she won is a of course a different story. Another point that the idea of her as the new VP might aid in pressuring Harris into resigning; no allegation of “racism” being the “real reason behind it” if the follow-up candidate is Michelle Obama.
Of course, the NYT is political theater. Every word in every sentence serves a purpose.
This could well be battlespace prep to remove first Harris and then Biden from office. They have to get rid of Harris first because she has proven too much of an idiot wildcard. They’ll then push a nominee for VP that they think they can win confirmation for in both the House and Senate. With Harris gone, the Senate will be 50/50 with no tiebreaking vote, so the nominee will have to be someone they can garner at least 1 Republican vote. My guess is it’ll be someone like Michelle Obama, since it’s pretty certain the Obamas are the ones running things behind a senile Biden. She’s also a two-fer. Any criticism of her would be both racist and sexist. Odds are that would be enough to get at least one squishy RINO (I’m looking at you, Mittens) to vote for her. Once the new VP is in place, Biden will either be taken out on 25th Amendment grounds as mentally unfit or, as this article hints at, be impeached and removed. This tactic can take place well before the midterm elections and may be the Democrats’ only hope of not getting wiped out in November.
From the link:
” I suspect that Joe Biden is being prepped for ejection. Exactly how it will happen I do not yet know.”
From Larry J.:
“Once the new VP is in place, Biden will either be taken out on 25th Amendment grounds as mentally unfit ..”
More likely than an impeachment; they might even be able to get him to resign in favor of the new VP; yes I could see Michelle Obama as such. You would still need a 2/3 vote from both Houses to permanently remove him but the cabinet could temporarily do so. Then apply massive pressure on him to resign in favor of new VP Michelle Obama.
While I can see Mit just going along with the Dem choice; Michelle Obama gives any Senator an easy no vote. Her qualifications for VP or President is being married to one. She hasn’t run for political office, she hasn’t run a government body at any level. And she’ll be adding people that pretend they worked their way into the Senate to let her jump ahead of them to the top office.
“While I can see Mit just going along with the Dem choice; Michelle Obama gives any Senator an easy no vote. Her qualifications for VP or President is being married to one.”
Supposing that said replacement vote happens with current Senate 50:50 party split they would yes need that one republican vote to make it happen. Can’t see any dem daring to vote against confirming her qualified or not.
Not sure how they will get rid of Harris first….
She has a shady past and has proven herself even more incompetent as VP. As the Democrats proved with Trump, impeachment is a political exercise, not a legal one. If they want her gone, she’ll be gone with enough Democrats voting not just to impeach but to remove her “for the greater good.”
“She has a shady past and has proven herself even more incompetent as VP”
From the link
“Kamala Harris is more of a problem. She is at least as appallingly incompetent as her boss, and no less challenged rhetorically, as her alarming performance in Poland and Romania a week or two back demonstrated. But Harris will not be as easy to shift as was Agnew. I have heard nothing about actual bribery, and acting as the warm bun for Willie Brown’s bratwurst may be in dubious taste but is not actionable.”
I agree she is appallingly incompetent her recent “let them (us) buy electric cars” remark in response to being asked to address concerns about skyrocketing gas prices comes to mind. Many other examples of such gaffes but what “shady” are you referring to? We would need some kind of major personal scandal (don’t think the Willy Brown thing is enough) to get rid of her.
Tim, do some searching on her record of prosecutorial misconduct in California. She’s accused of some very shady stuff. That’s why she was so unpopular as a candidate that she dropped out months before the Iowa caucus. She was wildly unpopular as a candidate. Like I said before, impeachment is a political exercise, not a legal one. Just like the saying about a grand jury being able to indict a sandwich, Congress can impeach for any reason or no reason if it chooses.
Conviction and removal from office requires 67 votes in the Senate. I hope enough Republicans would be willing to hoist the Democrats on their own petard and not vote to convict.
She got a lot facts against her, and they add a lot more fiction, like they always do.
It also likely there unknown facts- or it seems Dems tend to know all the dirt of other Dems.
And Harris might simply not know enough dirt on other Dems
to stop it.
“She got a lot facts against her, and they add a lot more fiction, like they always do. It also likely there unknown facts- or it seems Dems tend to know all the dirt of other Dems.”
Yes. That is what it would probably take; some kind of as yet unknown “personal scandal” that forces her to resign for reasons of health maybe or something of that sort. Don’t unfortunately think her prosecutorial abuses would be enough. Prosecutors seem to be able to get away with murder; look at for instance Mueller’s pit bull Andrew Wiseman. That guy should have been at the least disbarred. They could wait until after the likely bloodbath in November (blaming the loss on the Biden administration and then first dump her); replace her with Michelle Obama and subsequently 25th Amendment Biden. Remember the new Congress wouldn’t be seated until January they could still push it through while they were still in office.
That is the key to the process.
I don’t think they ever wanted Kamala to do anything. She was deeply unpopular when selected and they knew Biden would be lucky to make it four years. The plan was to steal the election to spite Trump and the country and worry about finding a candidate for the next election, clean slate.
What has changed? Democrats still have a shallow bench with all of their governors and mayors mired in scandals. They have no one with any stature to step in. The Democrat primary this cycle is going to be crazy.
“Only the news that fits our views.”
I have trouble imagining what would take to get Kamala to relinquish her chance to be President because the top seat became “vacant”. Stupid, energetic and Ambitious seems to describe her and not a smidgen of loyalty.
“I have trouble imagining what would take to get Kamala to relinquish her chance to be President because the top seat became “vacant”.”
Yes. The idea is that she would have to be replaced before the top seat became vacant; agree I am not sure how that would happen.
BrandonCorp won’t want to take a chance on anyone with even a shred of baggage, so no — not Michelle “All this for a flag?” Obama.
For one thing, they’ll want someone who’ll be able to call on the new Congress for a benefit of the doubt for at least a few months, and no one prominent from a previous Democrat administration could do that.
I remain convinced they’ll bring someone up from the political equivalent of AA baseball who hasn’t made any significant waves, in hopes of repeating Barack Obama’s magic.
I think they would have loved for Stacey Abrams to be a candidate for this, but her spiteful performance after losing for governor of Georgia in 2018, and her photo op faux pas with the masked schoolchildren, make her damaged goods for something like this.
Kamala can’t be removed because the likely grounds would be weak enough that 2/3rds of Senate Republicans would prefer to keep her around Biden’s neck like an Albatross.
Maybe the Times is looking to get another Pulitzer Prize for their reporting on the laptop story. (“The nominees for ‘best suppression of a story’ category are…”)
It would fit right in with their rewards for their so-called reporting on the Russia 2016 stories.
I have to agree with the Kamala stays crowd. It’s going to take more than buyer’s remorse to get rid of her. She certainly won’t fall on her sword for nothing – which really is all those handlers have to offer. And I don’t think those alleged handlers have either the cards or the competence to force her out. This is a common problem with conspiracy theories like this. The conspiracy is supercompetent at removing obstacles from their path, but then they want Michelle Obama? That’s a lot of brain damage.
My take is that the real scenario is that Biden retires for health reasons. Then Kamala has the better part of two years to act presidential. She’ll probably be the favorite to win the Democrat Party nomination. The second most likely scenario has Biden clinging till 2025. I don’t think those handlers will or can do much to change whatever happens.
My take is that there’s a huge amount of wishful thinking here – a sort of thinking “who’s the worst candidate we could possibly run against Trump in 2024 and how do we make it happen?” A Trump versus Obama II line up would be great for Trump supporters (even somewhat better than Trump vs Kamala), but why would the rest of us want it?
“I have to agree with the Kamala stays crowd. It’s going to take more than buyer’s remorse to get rid of her.”
Yes. The consensus here seem to be which I agree with is barring some kind of yet be disclosed major personal scandal she isn’t going anywhere.
“A Trump versus Obama II line up would be great for Trump supporters (even somewhat better than Trump vs Kamala), but why would the rest of us want it?”
I don’t think that I/we here “want it” just see that as a move the Dems might make. She (Michelle) Obama would be tough for Trump to run against. She is popular (very) deserved or not; the kind of personal attacks Trump is so good at might not be well received against her. Of course her campaign could viciously attack Trump and his family that would be “different” in the eyes of the media. How good a prez she would make if she won is a of course a different story. Another point that the idea of her as the new VP might aid in pressuring Harris into resigning; no allegation of “racism” being the “real reason behind it” if the follow-up candidate is Michelle Obama.