29 thoughts on “Working-Age Death Rate”

  1. I want to see raw numbers instead of percentages. If the rate is up 40%, was it an increase from 10 to 14 or was it from 1,000,000 to 1,400,000. Same percentage, big difference.

  2. My guess is that a lot are from delayed treatment. Even if you were already diagnosed with cancer, or some other serious condition, it was hard enough to get in and see a Dr. Trying to get in for an initial diagnosis? Good luck.

  3. Speaking of vaccine side effects, I recently heard from a health care professional that some young girls who received the mRNA vaccines haven’t had a menstrual period since.

    Though we won’t know the full effects of the mRNA vaccines for another 70 years, we may get a rude shock even earlier. If it turns out that forcing children to be vaccinated results in their inability to procreate, this government may be signing the death warrant for humanity.

      1. Your insinuation in the OP that the vaccines are plausibly responsible for this increase in deaths is a lot worse, Rand.

        Like, seriously, What The Actual Fuck was that? That’s way outside of any available evidence, and in the same class as the guy above’s third-hand anecdote about how it’s Gonna End Humanity By Making Us Not Have Babies, Because Someone In Healthcare Said Some Girls Stopped Having Periods.

        (That one, well … what kind of healthcare professional, basing it on what evidence? IS this just, really, “a nurse heard…”? Because I’ve seen a lot of that, and it frankly makes me think less of nursing, lately.)

        2. Rand didn’t say the vaccines were the cause but specualted if the side effects are contributing to the number.

          How come side effects aren’t publicized? People should know what to look for so that they can seek medical attention. The refusal to inform the public leads to undercounting and potentially bad outcomes because people don’t know what to watch for.

          Both you and Bob-1 are in denial and are attempting to prevent others from taking a rational approach to dealing with this virus.

          1. Wodun, on April 13, 2021, after 7 million Americans had received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, the administration of the vaccine in the USA was very transparently suspended because six women who received the vaccine developed dangerous blood clots. One woman died, and another was hospitalized, and with only that to go on, with no certainty at all at that time that the vaccine was even to blame, the vaccine was suspended out an abundance of caution. Critics pointed out that more people would die than would be saved because of the vaccine suspension, but the authorities who Rand in his OP referred to as “they” decided that allowing a vaccine to be distributed when there was so much uncertainty about a rare but possibly fatal condition would contribute to mistrust about the vaccine, and it was better in the long run to halt the vaccine even if lives would have been saved in the short run by allowing a vaccine with proven efficacy and rarely dangerous side effects to continue to be administered.

            The above story illustrates how much “they” (who are the nation’s doctors and medical researchers) don’t want the vaccines to kill people, and how much they want people to feel they can trust that the safety of the vaccines will be monitored and honestly reported.

            I have no idea why you think vaccine side effects aren’t publicized – they are widely publicized.

          3. Rand said I’m sure they don’t want us to know.

            Israel has eagerly gone first with Pfizer ‘s vaccine (120,000 older Israelis signed up to get their 4th dose yesterday, the first day it was offered), and it is Israeli research studies which provide Americans with our safety data regarding waning immunity and so forth. In your conspiracy theory where “they don’t want us to know”, how does the Israeli government fit in? Do you think the government of Israel wants to kill tens of thousands of elderly Jews?

          5. Rand, the Israeli government is administering even more of the very same vaccine that you are suggesting might be killing people, and you don’t think it is relevant? Since all the countries in the free world, each with a free press and whistleblowers, are administering covid-19 vaccines, you can think of these other free countries as checks and balances on our government.

          6. AFAIK, the Israeli government has not been pushing vaccines, masks, and social distancing while ignoring natural immunity, co-morbidities and other risk profiles, and therapeutics. IOW, unlike the Biden administration, I suspect that they actually base their policy on rationality and science.

          7. “I have no idea why you think vaccine side effects aren’t publicized – they are widely publicized.”

            No they aren’t. You have an anecdote of a single event. I have my own firsthand anecdotes that show side effects aren’t publicized.

            The “medical community” aka those allowed to speak by Democrats regardless of medical credentials, have constantly lied and withheld information.

            It is no trivial issue as the mere speaking of words that Democrats don’t like gets a person fired and/or banned. How well do you think things get publicized when so many people are being censored? People are getting censored for quoting the CDC. People are getting censored for views the CDC later adopts. The commonality is expressing a view Democrats dislike that day regardless of veracity.

            Have you seen any articles about kids with lifelong heart problems because of the vaccine or any other human interest stories on people who suffered side effects? What programs are in place to help these people with their medical bills for the rest of their lives?

            It is one thing to look at the data of incidents, as long as you also realize the data set is bad, and weigh the probabilities of negative outcomes. It is another to claim there are no negative outcomes, which has been the story from the DNC media. Who is brave enough and think so little of their income to come forward and speak on their experiences?

            Not only do these people not get help, they will have their lives destroyed if they speak up.

            But then again, you were one of those people who thought it was impossible to spread covid while wearing a mask and that the only new cases were from people not wearing masks and that these scapegoats were at fault for everything wrong in society.

    1. The data is incomplete. I’d wager most people with complications aren’t reporting it and/or neither are their drs. Without a doubt, this is true but it is impossible to quantify.

      1. Um. The data are taken from the official birth certificates filed by the doctor after the patient dies. So, no reporting by a person with complications.

        1. Thanks for the correction. I didn’t read carefully enough and assumed it was related to data collected on the vaccines. Silly mistake, happens all the time.

  6. Karl Denninger has noted since summer some very odd things in the BLS employment stats. He speculated then that it “may” be a sign of a huge amount of deaths thinning out the labor force. He wrote again on it this morning in relation to the insurance CEO’s statement. New BLS stats will be out later in the week, and Karl will post on Friday to see if there is a continuation of large groups of people missing in the BLS stats.

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?blog=Market-Ticker-Nad

    1. He speculated then that it “may” be a sign of a huge amount of deaths thinning out the labor force.

      Or retirement or higher education. Being dead is not the only reason someone might be unemployed and not looking for work. And when the author says

      It is physically impossible to jab everyone every four, five or six months

      Well, that’s not a credible claim. It may be that we don’t have the political/economic will to do so. But it’s not that significant a diversion of resources.

      Finally, there’s the ranting at the end

      If you were in any way involved in advocating, creating or enforcing any sort of mandate, and I don’t care what sort it was, whether it was masks, lockdowns, closures, jabs or anything else — I will never forget nor ever again normalize anything with respect to you or your family.

      Not even if it saved a bunch of lives? Sometimes forgiveness isn’t worth having.

      I can’t say whether the early pandemic tricks like masking and social distancing work today, but it’s pretty clear that we did avoid a massive crush on hospitals in the early pandemic as well as reducing overall cases somewhat. That saved a bunch of lives.

      Here, there’s huge cognitive dissonance, the author both claiming that attempts to reduce covid cases and deaths are “evil” while simultaneously claiming that there’s a huge number of deaths going on from covid. It’s a classic heads I win, tails you lose game.

  7. And if this is a vaccince related effect, it should be ongoing for the next six months. The canary to watch are life insurers reporting financial trouble. That is a huge actuarial hole in their business plan.

  9. “studies the death certificate data ”
    My father died from “cigarette smoking” 25 years after quitting cigarettes. The medical industry are clowns,

  10. Some observations from personal experience. My wife’s medical bills for 2021 topped out at just over $3,000,000.00, which provides plenty of perspective. My observations during that year were confined to a single university health system, but have lots of components, only a few of which I’ll mention here. The staff at the hospital said they were “slammed” by covid. But my observation is, they were “slammed” by regulations. The nurses typically spent the bulk of their time doing data entry. That said, patients were well attended and complex therapy regimens followed well. Covid didn’t interfere, as they had protocols in place for handling patients in therapy who showed up with covid (weekly tests were required).

    The flip side of that is my separate experience. I have a hereditary medical condition rampant in my family for generations which previously killed us all before age 60, but not until after our reproductive years. Since 1945, all that has changed, so my grandmother (dead from heart failure) lived to be 91 with this condition, and my father (dead from cancer) at 87. At 71, I live on a regimen of pills and injections, otherwise I would have died, based on my medical history, at 49 from polyglandular insufficiency syndrome. Used to be, if I felt weird, I’d go to my doctor who would look for an emerging subcondition. If for some reason the doctor was busy (or playing golf) I could see a PA or nurse same day. Now, no doctor is available without 3 months advance notice, and nurses/PAs available by appointment only, with 4 to 6 weeks advance notice. Recently, when I needed help with an injection, I was told, “Go to Urgent Care, or the ER.”

    That’s why people are dying.

  11. Rand,
    The article you link to is a second or third-hand summary with added layers of misinterpretation from each rewrite. If you go back to the actual teleconference, it’s an event from the Indiana Chamber of Commerce (I’m guessing they’re probably not radical left winger liberals?) encouraging businesses in the state to set up vaccination clinics. The insurance industry executive who is quoted plans to requires vaccination at his company because the 84% of employees who were already vaccinated asked him to, and said they and the rest of insurance industry are raising rates for businesses in counties with low vaccination rates.

    The comment (not quote) that it’s not just COVID was an interpretation from a statement that “deaths reported as COVID greatly understand” the deaths “from the pandemic” and don’t always get listed as COVID on the death certificate. While that doesn’t rule out that there are other causes (drug overdose, delayed treatment) it isn’t actually saying those deaths aren’t directly from the virus, just that they aren’t always getting reported that way.

    So, you ask how much of this is caused by vaccine side effects? Probably not much, possibly none, and clearly the benefits outweigh the disadvantages in the eyes of this insurance company CEO.

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