…makes excuses for the summer riots all the more shameful.
The upshot should be clear: The deadly storming of the Capitol building is the logical outcome of norms set by the left in 2020. By winking at and apologizing for Antifa, liberal elites telegraphed that political grievances ought to be resolved through violence.
Those showing righteous indignation now only months or weeks ago argued that the riots were “mostly peaceful” and that vandalism and looting don’t count as violence.
That’s the problem with political irresponsibility: Once the law grants quasi-authorization to hitherto-proscribed conduct, there’s no telling how events might spiral.
Yup.
The storming was an armed insurrection. I would be careful defending it, or repeating any of the lies it is based on, lest you commit the felony of providing it aid or comfort.
18 U.S. Code § 2383 – Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383
These bloodthirsty fools have provided their opponents an enormous hammer to crush them and the people who have supported them.
I’m not defending it, and neither is Andy. Just pointing out who created the environment in which it could happen, and it wasn’t Trump, or at least it wasn’t solely Trump.
You may not be defending it but you sure are not preaching against it and it appears no one that follows this blog is saying anything negative about it. .. the only thing I see is once again the CONservatives are the victims .. it wasn’t the conservatives fault you are blaming democrats .. the CONS are NEVER to blame .. ever.
I believe that everyone involved should be prosecuted to the full of extent of the law, just as I believe that for the terrorists, rioters, and looters last summer.
@Vladislaw
I will criticize the protesters who entered Capitol Clown Hill!
They should’ve worn giant floppy shoes (the proper footwear for Capitol Clown Hill).
If the fanatical right is so easily incited, you all and the GOP are totally screwed, Rand.
The rational thing for the DEMs to do would be to ramp up the putative incitement, pressing all the fringe’s hottest buttons, mocking them all the while. A constant, low level of insurrection would pose no danger to the republic, but would put the GOP into an impossible situation. Any support for the fringe would allow those to be hit with prosecution and banning from elected office, but not supporting them would lose the fringe vote. It’s a wedge the DEMs could use to cause the GOP to disintegrate. It would also shut off the tap of corporate and wealthy money the GOP depends on (as those donations would also become legally risky), as that support could also lead to prosecution.
If the fanatical right is so easily incited, you all and the GOP are totally screwed, Rand.
This doesn’t make sense at all.
Any support for the fringe would allow those to be hit with prosecution and banning from elected office
If you believe this, then you are the fanatic with absolutely no understanding of free speech as a concept, much less the law.
Well Pelosi called the JCS and told them she was taking over as commander and chief and all orders had to go through her, so I’m willing to hear arguments about those committing a coup against a sitting President.
18 USC 2384 would seem to apply to Winebox Nan
Paul D.’s principles extend only as far as his nose.
What? You think he warned the people that paid legal fees for the hundreds of protesters arrested at Trump’s inauguration? Weren’t they there because it was suggested that the election was stolen by Russia interference?
Wodun, I couldn’t find the original comment but you had asked for a source on Capitol attackers being radical leftists
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1347318930138918930?s=20
Was going to post something about this last night, but Um this seems relevant to this one.
https://twitter.com/RebellionBaby/status/1331902008765206528
The BLM people were disavowing this one months ago, for being violent and a grifter . What a concept maybe the conservative movement should start doing that with their grifters. Though you can still get her under retainer Rand.
BS ALERT. Show me a quote where she said she was taking over? The only thing I have read is she talked to Joint Chief to insure turnip doesn’t start launching nukes. If you paid attention the DOD has ran game plans on this very fact.. what if turnip goes off the deep end .. even deeper than he has already.
She was asking them to refuse to follow orders. She was attempting to insert herself into the chain of command.
That you and Nancy believe that is possible just shows how utterly insane both of you are. Completely, absolutely unhinged.
But oh-so-righteous. Nazis! Nazis everywhere!
Who was Trump going to nuke? He has been signing peace deals across the world.
Hundreds of thousands of women weren’t made sex slaves under Trump’s foreign policy, that was Biden and Obama.
Show me in the US Constitution where it says the Speaker of the House is the Commander and Chief. Her request was clearly an usurpation of power which is the definition of a coup, as the JCS is quoted by the NYT as telling her. It was also reported in Politico and many other news organizations.
But heh, I’m willing to see your evidence that the DOD has ran game plans on how to ignore the orders of POTUS. Please bring that evidence forward.
“These bloodthirsty fools have provided their opponents an enormous hammer to crush them and the people who have supported them.”
Democrats don’t need an excuse. They have already been murdering, beating, and taking away the rights, with government and corporate power, of people they don’t like.
It was a protest, not insurrection or rebellion. The people who got in pushing matches with security should be prosecuted if they broke a law. Since the protesters were let into the building be security, I’m not sure the trespassing charges should stick, but I doubt whatever judge the cases go before will rule strictly on the law.
The punishments should be equivilant to when Democrats stormed the capitol in 2018, https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kavanaugh-protests-escalate-120-arrested-capitol-hill/story?id=58048599
Did any celebrities, politicians, or media get charged with felonies for supporting Democrats storming the capitol? Why is there a different response for different groups exercising their 1a rights?
Stormed the capital? Were they armed? Were they carrying zip ties to take hostages? Did they break down doors and steal stuff? Where there molotev cocktails fournd? Did they lower the American flag and replace it with a trump flag like these guys did? Were they carrying confederate flags into the capital building? First time in our history? Were they IMMEDIATLY arrested? Yes, were the trumpers? No .. Was the president shouting good job and I love you guys?
This is about the most silly comparison I have seen so far.
Ah, I see today’s talking points emphasize “zipties”.
Why did they bring them? Why don’t you, or one of the so-called “investigative reporters” who shovel opinions at us find out these things?
(Maybe someone had already seen the contents of Nancy’s missing computer, and knew what her kinks were and was going to ask her for a date…)
They were a lot more peaceful than Democrats have been the last five years. But what we have are two different sets of rules. One, where Democrats beat, murder, and burn their way across the country with the support of the most powerful democrats, celebrities, and corporations. Another, where Democrat’s victims get the book thrown at them.
I don’t agree with what some of the Trump supporters did but Democrats are blowing it way out of proportion considering what Democrats have been doing these last five years.
The Trump supporters should get the same treatment Democrats got or Democrats should get the same as Republicans but the people beating murdering people for five years need to sit this one out.
You do know Democrats tried to assassinate half of congress right? Your whole party has come down with hodgkinson’s disease while you lecture everyone else on how to act.
Armed? I saw no weapons except for the one that shot the Air Force Veteran. I thought an armed insurrection required, you know, arms.
Looked to me like some minor vandalism and criminal trespass at worst.
What your definition of unarmed?
There their the bombs
Yes a lot of this was clown show but it gave cover and force multipliers to much more sinister elements And the president called and endorsed the clown show. And should of known about the sinister elements or is so incompetent that he should be removed from office for that alone.
How bout some Rightest rage about the assault and the Grievance politics that has taken over the Republicans and the so called conservatives.
They arrested a couple people on suspicion of having unlicensed handguns. DC is one of those places that denies people their fundamental constitutional rights. Aside from explicit 2a protests, people shouldn’t be bringing their guns to protests. Another person had a rifle and allegedly molotov cocktails in their car, not at the protest.
The article lied about where those things were. It was written to suggest they were inside the building. A rowdy protest is bad enough, they don’t need to make lies about it. That is why I don’t trust the reports of pipe bombs or molotovs. I need to see the evidence not just some Democrat claiming there was something there.
None of these weapons were used during the protest. No one was waving around guns or shooting anyone, except for security.
It was also a multiethnic protest. Democrats like to say everyone is racist to excuse whatever it is Democrats want to do to persecute people but 99% of the time, their victims are not racists.
It should be noted, Republicans wouldn’t be coming armed if Democrats didn’t turn out at every event with a mob of people that tries to beat and murder anyone exercising their 1a rights and even at this event only a teeny tiny number of people had any weapons out of the tens of thousands who showed up.
Democrats have been coming to protests with handguns, AR’s, and they actually do use explosives and molotovs. Raz was handing out ARs from his trunk in Seattle. None of them ever face weapons charges. If Democrats and their prosecutors think it’s OK for Democrats to protest this way, why not other groups who are much more peaceful?
Yes you right the 1st one is a bit misleading here is a more detail one
Mason jars filled with melted stryoform and gasoline, yes I know not as dangerous as those laser pointers they have in Portland. About a block from a congressional office building and another block from the capital.
Or lets hear from a republican Congressman that was their.
Yeah, the media lied about what happened and you trying to rephrase the lies don’t help you.
The violence should never havr happened. Getting into shoving matches with cops and hitting their shields is bad enough. You don’t need to fabricate other events.
A huge problem these last 5 years has been the media lying and gullible Democrats falling for every stupid thing they read rather than applying a modicum of rational thought.
So the Portland city government should be rounded up and sent to Gitmo?
Nacny Pelosi ias lucky she is protected by the speech and debate clause, for she clearly provided aid and comfort to the arsonists trying to burn down the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse in Portland.
http://twitter.com/speakerpelosi/status/1284294427654197248
My question is, if the President had clearly and unambiguously lost the election, why the screaming and stompy footing over what was obviously a fairly minor civil disturbance? Particularly compared to the main event insurrections by BLM. Trump has 11 days left in office, do they really think he’s going to launch on China or is there something else? Also this:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/new-detailed-inventory-election-fraud-2020-election-deroy-murdock-provides-strong-evidence-president-trumps-performance-swing-states-overall-race/
> why the screaming and stompy footing over what was obviously a fairly minor civil disturbance
Fairly minor? It killed five people, had a WORKING GALLOWS and a crowd chanting to hang Pence, and was a textbook example of seditious conspiracy, a felony earning you a 20 year sentence.
Do please try not to be so ridiculous.
It did not “kill[] five people”. One person was murdered by a cop, whose name and has still not been released. One of the cops died of changing causes, hours after the disturbance. Three others died of medical emergencies.
Saying “killed five people” is to cheapen the life of the woman whose murder will get a commendation.
He really seems emotionally invested in over-playing his hand on this one.
Have you been this upset at any time over the last five years of Democrats beating, murdering, and burning in the name of politics?
Will you be upset anytime in the next four years when Democrats use government and corporate power to persecute dissidents and people they don’t like?
Maybe the borrowed the gallows from one of the Democrat protests, oh wait, Democrats brought guillotines while chanting to execute wide swaths of society like their Marxist brethren have done in other countries.
You’d think if it was so simple to explain all of the election fraud really wasn’t, they would be able to do that instead of just calling everyone racist.
Ah yes. That trivial task of proving a negative.
It’s up to those making allegations to present their evidence in court, not in seditious internet echo chambers.
“My question is, if the President had clearly and unambiguously lost the election,”
He DID clearly and unambiguously lose the election, 60 law suits in row said he lost. The DOJ said he lost. Homeland security said he lost the governors said he lost.. turnip was the one spewing the non stop lies saying he won.
“He DID clearly and unambiguously lose the election, 60 law suits in row said he lost.”
No they didn’t, Twinkie. The suits were all dismissed for any reason the judges could gin up.
Democrats kicked out the observers at polling places in several different states. Democrats paid people to vote in Arizona. Poll workers were wearing BLM clothes. Election workers destroyed security envelopes preventing signature audits. Election whistle blowers got fired in Georgia. Democrats cheated in their own primaries. The list of election fraud is long and diverse and we can’t forget Biden’s own words;
“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/12/what-youve-been-asking-for-a-fairly-complete-list-of-some-of-the-most-significant-claims-of-2020-election-miscounts-errors-or-fraud/
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/reaganmccarthy/2020/09/08/georgia-voter-fraud-n2575805
https://nypost.com/2020/05/21/ex-philly-election-official-pleads-guilty-to-voter-fraud/
I defend it. 9 months of constant assault and violence supported by the Left, excused by the media and STIFLED by tech is not a rightful equivocation. The OUTRAGE you squishes use is FALSE, and I don’t believe you actually believe it.
The only violent deaths, one the murder and it’s a reasonable description of that, it was a panic shot from an untrained fool into the neck of a verifiable hero, and the accidental death of an officer who, either fell after being struck, or was struck were UNFORTUNATE, but there is NOTHING that happened that did not occur during the Kavanaugh hearings, when the P-hats shut down the entire capitol.
UNFORTUNATE, but not excessive.
It wasn’t nine months, it was five years.
The violence started in the 2016 campaign when Democrats organized mobs to beat people attending Trump campaign events but the violence didn’t just happen at campaign events. Rando civilians out in public, college students, and public speakers were also targeted with violence.
Where have all the people upset with one event where Trump supporters acted poorly been the last five years? Did they not know what happened or did they accept Democrat’s behavior?
Even over the last year, over 30 people were killed.
We need consistency of applied rules and not inconsistent application of rules applied only to those Democrats deem their enemies.
2016? You mean where every republican that ran against him predicted this would happen if turnip was elected?
Illinois Sen. Mark Kirk called Trump a “malignant clown — unprepared and unfit to be president of the United States.”
South Dakota Sen. John Thune, the first member of GOP congressional leadership to call for Trump to step aside. (UPDATE: Thune said Tuesday he would still vote for Trump, telling reporters “He has a lot of work to do, I think, to win this election. But I’m certainly not going to vote for Hillary Clinton.”)
Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse, who never supported Trump, is asking him to “step aside & let Mike Pence try.”
Idaho Sen. Mike Crapo, who had previously endorsed Trump, rejected his “disrespectful, profane and demeaning” behavior.
Utah Sen. Mike Lee, who had already indicated he did not support Trump, dismissed him as “the distraction.”
Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, who had very recently endorsed Trump, said “the time has come for Governor Pence to lead the ticket.”
Utah Rep. Mia Love, who had yet to endorse Trump, said she “cannot vote for him” and that he should “step aside.”
Colorado Rep. Mike Coffman said Trump should withdraw “for the good of the country.”
Nevada Rep. Joe Heck, who is running for Nevada’s open Senate seat, withdrew his support for Trump, and said the “American people deserve better.”
Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake, who has always been critical of Trump, said Trump is “wrong about his level of support” and needs to withdraw.
Virginia Rep. Barbara Comstock called Trump’s remarks “disgusting, vile, and disqualifying.”
Alaska Sen. Dan Sullivan said he “will support Governor Mike Pence for President.”
Maine Sen. Susan Collins, who never backed Trump, said he needs to make the decision to step down.”I could not support his candidacy.”
Colorado Sen. Cory Gardner called Trump’s “flaws … beyond mere moral shortcomings.”
Alabama Rep. Martha Roby said Trump needs “to step aside and allow a responsible, respectable Republican to lead the ticket”
Missouri Rep. Ann Wagner, who is withdrawing her support for Trump, said she must “condemn the predatory and reprehensible comments.”
Illinois Rep. Rodney Davis asked to be withdrawn from his agriculture advisory committee and said Pence should be the nominee.
South Dakota Gov. Dennis Daugaard said “enough is enough.”
Utah Rep. Chris Stewart said “I am willing to hold Mr. Trump accountable” and is asking Trump to step aside.
Frmr GOP presidential candidate Carly Fiorina said Trump “does not represent me or my party.”
Nebraska Rep. Jeff Fortenberry, who previously said he will vote for Trump, now said Mike Pence should be the Republican nominee.
Michigan Rep. Fred Upton, who has refused to endorse Trump, said he needs to step down.
Texas Rep. Will Hurd, who is in a tough re-election campaign and whose district includes a large swatch of the Mexico border, said Trump should step aside for “a true conservative” to step in.
Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam urged Trump to “step aside and let Gov. Mike Pence assume the role as the party’s nominee.”
Frmr New York Gov. George Pataki said “Enough! He needs to step down.”
Frmr Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said this is “enough” and Trump should “withdraw”
Republicans no longer voting for Donald Trump
Arizona Senator John McCain is withdrawing his support for Trump, saying “Cindy and I will not vote for Donald Trump.” He said he’s going to write in South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham.
New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte said she would write in Pence on her ballot.
West Virginia Sen. Shelley Moore Capito said the “appropriate next step may be for him to reexamine his candidacy.”
Frmr Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who wasn’t supporting Trump before the tape, called Trump’s comments “reprehensible.”
Ohio Sen. Rob Portman, who formerly endorsed Trump, said “I can no longer support him” and “I will be voting for Mike Pence for President.”
Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski said Trump has “forfeited the right to be our party’s nominee.”
Ohio Gov. John Kasich, ex-2016 contender, said It’s clear that Trump “hasn’t changed and has no interest in doing so.”
Utah Gov. Gary Herbert said just a few hours after the damaging tape was released that Trump had lost his vote.
Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley, who previously endorsed Trump, said he will no longer vote for him.
Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval said he “can no longer support him as my party’s nominee.”
Nevada Rep. Crescent Hardy said he “will no longer support the guy at the head of the ticket.”
California Rep. Steve Knight, who never endorsed Trump, said his comments were “inexcusable” and that he “cannot support” him.
Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz, who had endorsed Trump, became the first member of Congress to reverse course when he said Friday night he could no longer support the nominee.
Pennsylvania Rep. Charlie Dent, who has never supported Trump, said the comments were “disturbing.”
Florida Rep. Tom Rooney said he would fail his family if he supports Trump.
California Rep. David G. Valadao called Trump’s behavior “disgusting” and said he will not support him.
New Jersey Rep. Frank LoBiondo said “I cannot support and will not vote for Donald Trump.”
Minnesota Rep. Erik Paulsen, said Trump’s words are “disgusting and offensive.”
Frmr Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty called Trump “unsound, uninformed, unhinged and unfit.”
Frmr California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Republicans should put country over party.
Michigan Rep. Justin Amash said “It’s time for self-reflection from Trump and GOP leaders.”
New Jersey Lt. Gov. Kim Guadagno, under Gov. Chris Christie, told NBC News, saying she “will not be voting for Donald Trump.”
Republicans condemning Donald Trump’s comments but still supporting
Republican Vice Presidential Candidate Mike Pence said “As a husband and father, I was offended by the words and actions described by Donald Trump in the eleven-year-old video released yesterday. I do not condone his remarks and cannot defend them.”
House Speaker Paul Ryan said he was “sickened” by Trump’s comments and will focus on down-ballot races.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell blasted Trump’s “repugnant” comments.
Nebraska Sen. Deb Fischer said shortly after the video was released that it “would be wise” for Trump to step aside but just three days later said that she would support him.
RNC chairman Reince Priebus said: “No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever.” But he said that the RNC stands with Trump.
2012 nominee Mitt Romney condemned Trump’s “vile degradations.”
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, ex-2016 contender who just recently came out for Trump, said:”These comments are disturbing and inappropriate, there is simply no excuse for them.”
Texas Sen. John Cornyn, the Majority Whip, called his comments “disgusting.”
Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey, who is locked in a tough re-election bid has not endorsed Trump but hasn’t denounced him either, according to a statement.
New Jersey Rep. Scott Garrett said he is “appalled” and initially indicated he would be withdrawing support for Trump, but on Tuesday his campaign said he would vote for the nominee.
Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley, who is leading in his re-election effort.
Missouri Sen. Roy Blunt, who faced difficult re-election race.
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, who ran against Trump in the presidential primary and is now running for a second term in a race he is leading. He called Trumps comments “vulgar, egregious, and impossible to justify.”
Alabama Rep. Bradley Byrne’s campaign initially said in a statement that the comments were “were disgraceful and appalling” and that “it is clear that Donald Trump is not fit to be president.” But he clarified Tuesday that he still plans to support the GOP ticket.
Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch said “women deserve to be treated with respect.”
North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr, who is locked in a competitive re-election bid, will back Trump.
Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, who is also looking to get re-elected but trails in the polls.
South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham said he was never “comfortable” with Trump being nominee, “I don’t believe the Bill Clinton defense will work as we impeached Bill Clinton.”
Georgia Sen. Johnny Isakson, who is leading his re-election effort by a slim margin.
Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton said Trump “let us down again” and that his comments were “demeaning and shameful.”
Arkansas Sen. John Boozman in a statement said “If I ever heard anyone speak this way about them, they would be shopping for a new set of teeth.”
Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst called his remarks “lewd.”
Tennesse Sen. Bob Corker, a member of Trump’s foreign policy advisory committee, tried to distance himself from Trump in a statement and called Trump’s remarks “inappropriate.”
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said Trump’s comments were “deeply disturbing” and “absent true contrition, consequences will be dire.”
North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory said Trumps comments were “disgusting.”
Nebraska Gov. Pete Rickets said comments were “reprehensible and offensive.”
Indiana Rep. Todd Young, who is in a tight race but is looking to keep this open Senate seat red.
New York Rep. Chris Collins, one of the first Congressional supporters of Trump.
Michigan Rep. Bob Huizenga calls Trump’s remarks “disgusting.”
Former House Speaker John Boehner said that Trump is “barely a Republican” but confirmed he still plans to vote for him.
Leigh Ann Caldwell
Leigh Ann Caldwell is an NBC News correspondent.
Safia Samee Ali and Daniel Arkin contributed.
Wow. Four years after the election, and what all these “republicans” predicted finally came to pass.
What exactly were the “comments” that set all these people off? Did it have anything to do with Russia? (I think I know, but you need to tell us.)
If you think that list reflects badly on Trump, you need to talk to your supervisor about getting better talking points.
My First approximation is it in response to “Grab them by the P and if you rich & famous they let you do it”
Kinda like what Trump been doing to the Republican party for the last 4 years.
Trump made a joke to people working in the entertainment industry as someone working in the entertainment industry. Have you ever heard entertainmemt industry people tell a joke?
Lisa Bloom paid women to accuse Trump of sexual assault, just like Democrats accused Kavanaugh of gang rape, the paid accusations were not true.
Democrats lie about rape, they lie about Russian Collusion, and they lie about cheating in elections.
Their leadership is riddled with Chinese spies and the son of Biden is on tape with Chinese prostitutes smoking crack.
In every election candidates say critical things of other candidates and after the election they go back to being kind. What did Kamala say about Biden? That he was racist af among other things.
Trump’s governance produced a lot of good policies and there were no abuses of power like we saw with Obama/Biden spying on reporters and their families, jailing reporters, hacking reporters computers, using government agencies to persecute pro-life, Jewish, tea party groups and others, using national security agencies to spy on campaigns, illegally leak disinformation to the media to impact the election, fabricate charges to arrest campaign officials, and overthrow a duly elected President in a coup.
And there are other act to add to the list like running guns Mexican cartels so the violence could be used to justify gun bans in the USA and running guns to AQ affiliates in the ME.
How many people have been murdered by Democrats since 2016? How many beaten and hospitalized. Are you even aware what your party has been doing to innocent innocent civilians.
In Seattle, Democrats executed two young black boys.
They have been mudering scores of people after being whipped up to kill anyone who opposes them, or simply looks like someone they are taught to hate.
“Are you even aware what your party has been doing to innocent innocent civilians?” I guess I’m not.
Short version: Wodun, I wish you made it a habit of posting a link (or at least referring to) your sources to back up what you are saying.
Long, personal version: For years now, you’ve been writing a certain sort of comment: you say “Democrats did…” and then you end the sentence with something utterly horrifying. I’ve mostly stopped commenting on this blog, but I still read it, and I always thought of you, Wodun, as the best of the commenters here, the conservative I found it most easy to have an informative conversation with, and perhaps even reach a meeting of the minds. But since your pattern of “Democrats did [something horrible]” started, I read your posts with incredulity and non-recognition. I very rarely have any idea what events you are even referring to. I believe you aren’t simply making things up – I assume you are talking about the actual horrible events – since the world has many horrible events, there is no need to make any up. But your posts are completely unpersuasive if you don’t make it clear which event you are talking about. Maybe the other people here know what you’re talking about – and maybe they are your intended audience. If so, then I guess it was not helpful for me to say anything. But if you want to persuade someone who doesn’t have the same information you have, I want to let you know, as I told you a number of years ago now, it would really help if you posted a link to your sources.
“I read your posts with incredulity and non-recognition. I very rarely have any idea what events you are even referring to.”
And that Bob-1 is the problem. Democrats do not know what their own party is doing. Your media hides from you what is going on because if you knew, you wouldn’t stand for it.
This past summer was filled with event after event where Democrats pulled people from cars and beat them, shot at drivers, murdered people in cold blooded assassination’s, executed individuals in CHAZ, and many other horrific acts.
They are still doing weekly riots in Portland and are occupying a hotel in Seattle. This summer was terrible but the violence from Democrats has been going on for five years. Why don’t you take it upon yourself to know what happens when Democrats crash other people’s events or when Democrats hold their own events?
Here are two recent stories I bet you didn’t hear about.
Democrats cut gas lines to thousands in the middle of winter. https://abcnews.go.com/US/thousands-colorado-residents-heat-attack-gas-service/story?id=74948009
Two Democrats engage in terrorist attack against BNSF https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/two-bellingham-women-suspected-in-terrorist-attack-against-bnsf-endangering-the-public/ar-BB1bvsUv
Mimicking the above story, oil train derailed https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/12/22/washington-state-train-derailment-spills-crude-oil-custer/4016493001/
I know a lot of Democrats. Nearly all of my friends over the years have been Democrats. Some of them support stuff like this. They get off on it. But many of them would never accept this from their party. With the walk away movement and disillusionment the black community has with Democrats, the media doesn’t tell you the truth.
You have to go out there and find it Bob-1. FaceBook and twitter wont let you see it unless you put in some work going where they don’t want you to go.
Bob-1 did you know heavily armed Democrat paramilitaries are at these “protests”? I am all for Americans exercising their rights and am not particularly bothered by Democrats kitted out in their battle rattle. What bothers me is the totalitarian ideology that motivates their actions.
But a lot of Democrats hate militias, which is why you don’t hear about Democrat’s Marxist militias at protests.
Agree not excessive. Not that unfortunate. Also not the last – JANUARY 20th is COMING!
Don’t forget, when Democrats make fun of Trump’s inauguration crowd size, they closed down the checkpoint with violent mobs so that people could not attend. Just like they attacked people attending the RNC.
What was the punishment to inaugural day violence? None.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/government-drops-charges-against-all-inauguration-protesters-n889531
Has the Democrat party been held responsible for any of their organized uses of violence over the last five years? No.
Protesters should’ve stuck to firebombing federal courthouses, which is perfectly legal or people in Portland wouldn’t do it night after night as a cheap form of entertainment.
Also, given that the total damage to the building is about a hundredth what any blue-city Nike store has suffered in the peaceful protests, and that the protesters were escorted into to building by the police, I think the real reason the feds are trying to identify and hunt down everyone who entered, is that one of them, apparently, stole Nancy Pelosi’s laptop off her desk. If true, one of them likely shoved it into a backpack and simply left with it.
The feds will leave no stone unturned in recovering it, lest its contents leak onto the Internet and make Hunter Biden’s laptop look tame. It would probably contain evidence of bad things, including her role, and that of everyone she communicates with, including some members of the press, in election-rigging 2020. Plus it also might contain classified intelligence, etc.
Thus we have the otherwise insane requests to help identify absolutely everyone who entered the capitol building that day, and the FBI flying all over the country to try and nab them all.
Nobody actually did anything except take Nancy’s podium as a trophy – and, quite possibly her laptop, and which is more likely to explain the otherwise bizarre levels of faux outrage they’re fanning?
Bezos deplatforming Parler.
Well, I think that makes it pretty clear that if Blue Origin succeeds, only left-wing people will be able to count on a reliable supply of oxygen. Right wing people will just get cut off. If Bezos succeeds with New Glenn, the future of mankind in space might be highly dystopian.
Create your own twitter they said. Create your own website. Create your own payment processor. Create your own bank. Create your own webhosting company. Create you own AWS.
This is like AT&T listening to your phone calls and deciding they don’t like what you say and so can’t use a phone. It is like your city council not liking what you say in your car and banning you from using the road, even for walking.
It is progressive fascism. It is Jim Crow. It is the modern Democrat party.
Narrator: It is not like that at all.
Broadcasting to everyone your thoughts on social media (or more specifically setting up a system to allow anyone broadcast) is not like AT&T listening to your private phone calls.
Sorry this is like complaining about I can’t call Rush Limbaugh radio show and have him and radio networks broadcast my 30 minutes tiraid on anything (*Checks notes*: In this case calling for the “death of the VP and other elected officials” because they won’t name the current president president for life)
What ever happen to the christian baker?
Or we don’t need no stinking web neutrality?
Or how bout people putting money and effort building their tools they have the right on what and how they can be used for, saying otherwise it is theft and robing them of their liberty and free association.
Let me guess Wodun you want to say nationalize Facebook/Twitter/AWS
You got to add that S to your N.
Guess the Fascist just have to Fascist.
Democrats did try to cut off black people’s telephones during the 1960’s. It’s one of their go-to moves, and they are way more racist today than they were back then. Heck, even the Germans weren’t as race-obsessed as modern Democrats, nor as inherently tyrannical.
Do you have a citation for that?
I tried to find it again a couple months ago when I was using it in a comment, but failed due to weak Google-foo. It was a recorded call between a Southern governor (I’m thinking either Faubus or George Wallace, though not certain) and another state official, possibly the AG). The governor is explaining, in a down-home way, that “these protest leaders (he named a few) don’t live nowhere near each other, and they just called for another one so quick that you know they have to be using the telephone to coordinate all this unrest. Now you know things would calm down a whole lot if they wasn’t staging all these protests, and they have to be staging them over the telephone, so I’m saying if you can just cut off their telephones then it’d take ’em a lot longer, and we’d get some breathin’ room and everybody’d calm back down.”
The other guy explained something like “Well you know, the phones, they’re all federal law and that’s the FCC, and the courts done ruled on this, and said that as long as a person keeps paying their phone bill, they can’t be cut off.” “As long as they pay their bill you say?” “That’s right. There ain’t nothing I can do about that.”
The transcript out there somewhere, and that’s the gist of the conversation. but none of my quotes are exact enough for a search. But the reasoning was exactly the same as what we’re seeing now from Silicon Valley, and have been for years. That in the interests of “social harmony” the trouble makers shouldn’t be allowed to communicate with each other very freely, so as to not gin up more upset and violence.
Oh, and 15 USC 1 says:
Apple, Amazon, Twitter, Google, and Facebook need to be broken up, and their directors sent to prison for ten years.
Glad someone noticed this cartel behavior. I figure a few others see it too.
If only the penalty was execution.
That Christian Baker did not have a near monopoly of bakeries in his town or in the country. Going elsewhere was an option. He also did not conspire with other Christian owned businesses to drive any business which catered a gay wedding out of business. He just wanted to be left alone. Google, Apple, Amazon, and the rest of the Big Tech Tyrants want to control us. Big difference.
You want to force Christians to participate in other people’s ideological ceremonies. That is unconstitutional, just like you can’t force people to take the pledge of allegiance. Soon enough, Democrats will be forcing more people to participate in their ideology if they want to use the internet, a bank, or have a job.
Telephones had party calls and people can various radio bands. These social media companies and internet backbone companies function like utilities and Democrats are turning off their utilities for being people Democrats view as subhuman.
A lot of government agencies use these platforms to communicate with the public and banning people prevents them from communicating and getting vital knowledge. It could be about a school being closed or an earthquake.
Our government agencies shouldn’t use platforms that discriminate and persecute dissidents.
What did parler do to merit getting kicked off the internet? Nothing except not being controlled by Democrats.
I’d have like to have received that direct message about the Hunter Biden NY Post article.
That seems like cutting off private communication, no matter the “hacked material” fig leaf they put on it at the time.
You don’t understand !! Democrats ate Wodun children. And Wodun parents. And Wodun cat. And dog. A Democrat even ate Wodun grandmother. DEMOCRATS ARE THE DEVIL ! don’t forget they have a children coop hidden below comet pin pong .
Geez, the commenters here have been such hysterical and fanatical morons… SIEGE MENTALITY up to 11. Hopefully the alt-right morons will die in the coming civil war they wish so much. From an ocean away, they are pathetic.
Only morons use the phrase “alt-right” anything.
Wodun says:
“Create your own twitter they said. Create your own website. Create your own payment processor. Create your own bank. Create your own webhosting company. Create you own AWS.”
Well that’s how the market works. This is what should happen.
You missed the point. At each link in the chain when something is created, it is cancelled by other services it needs to survive. We live in a complex society where every good or service is interdependent. What us required isn’t creating a service but an entire alternate economy.
Anyone who runs afoul of THE party will need a Green Book, just like in the Jim Crow days.
How did that work out for Hank Reardon?
What does Paul D. have to say about Democrats behaving this way?
He’s 100% down with it.
When a DEM mobs seditiously attempts to stop electoral vote counting I’ll let you know.
That happened in 2016. We already covered this. It also happened in 1876, but history doesn’t call it sedition, because nobody but you seem to be illiterate about what a word means yet continue to use it over and over. Well, there was that guy in the movie that kept saying “inconceivable”.
You are really BRAVE arguing or trying to argue with those fanatical morons. They leave in their fantasy world were naughty democrats burn kitten and eat children.
I wish them a civil war, those idiots. To get a taste of what extreme polarization and fanaticism brought to Rwanda, Yougoslavia, Lebanon… northern Ireland… tragic buffoons. No surprise the USA head in a similar direction, full speed. oh well…
Here is another one from Mozilla of all places, https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/
Paraphrasing, the answer isn’t to do away with the internet but to prevent certain people from using the internet while harnessing the power of the internet to track people down and punish them for wrongthink, along with anyone who dare associate with them.
Don’t disagree, but at the rate Blue Origin moves, I think we’ll have time for some sane alternatives to appear. What’s the New Shepard flight cadence at these days, once per year? Yawn.
BO wants to capture government. They place will be secure regardless of performance.
Paul D. and “Engineer” don’t actually care about mobs. They don’t actually care about the assault on Capital Clown Hill. What they are really upset about is the same reason Xi Jinping’s men get upset when their Dear Leader gets compared to a certain cartoon character.
Project much?
Oh I am pissed this man is still walking free.
Let me refer you to this snowflake.
This is a stronger condemenation of violence that what I heard from your il duce and kinda ruins the premise of Hindrakers that rand posted to a day ago.
Biden was inciting violence and instucting people not to talk about it lest the negative press hurt them. Your kooky conspiracy theory about umbrellaman is noted. Breaking windows is totally out of norm for Democrat protesters. At one point, Democrats thought he was a cop too.
You say you are upset but then you link to things that absolve your party of responsibility for five years of violence by blaming other people for what happened.
Engineer is just fine with violence, he just doesn’t like that a bunch of people treated Capitol Clown Hill as the circus freakshow that it really is…
Hey! Does that guy look like Winnie the Pooh?
Well look at that! I think Leonid Brezhnev is always piss drunk in his daily speeches…
The masochistic serfs really turned out in force and rallied ’round the State for this one.