The Trump presidency is the first to reveal a full-blown schism between the intelligence community and the White House.
This sounds bad for the Trump presidency if one thinks of our “intelligence community” as pro American. But it is the opposite. After eight years of Obama-era leftists gaining control of power in this country, it is Donald Trump’s presidency that represents, supports, and promotes traditional American values–like the ones you and many of us grew up with. We have never seen this before because we had never before departed from our core values as much as we did during Obama. The Trump presidency is under attack because they are getting very close to exposing the corruption and anti-American activities questionable actions of those in the previous administration.
Consider this: at a time not long ago, we were so concerned about an enemy that held values so contrary to ours, and considered such a threat to our way of life, that we felt we had to defend ourselves with hydrogen bombs. Then, in 2008 we just “gave them the keys to the car” and let that very threat take control of the highest powers in our nation. Today, we are seeing in the Trump presidency what may be the last chance of retaining all that we risked, stood for, and fought for in times past.
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The depth to which this has penetrated into American society is what worries me. It’s not just that its happening at the national level, but that it’s corrupted politics down to the bottom level:
Here in Granville County, NC, we had an election for sherrif recently, the incumbent against a progressive challeger, a black woman who promised “community policing” and an end to “black incarceration,” among other things. Of course, she lost. Since then, word has come that the state bureau of investigation has wiretapped the sherrif and claims to have recordings of him trying to hire a hit man, target unknown. The local DA threatens to ask the state for a petition of impeachment. Then the sherrif is formally charged with two counts of “obstruction of justice.” He denies it, hired a lawyer, and the case is placed on the state court docket. Then the DA announces he and the sherrif have agreed the sherrif will “step aside” until the trial verdict. There is, of course, no mechanism by which the sherrif can take a leave of absense, but the Chief Deputy will take over until the verdict. Next comes the announcement the trial is off the docket because the sherrif’s lawyer is “too busy” to handle the case right now. Then its announced the sherrif will be paid his salary and benefits until “the SBI investigation is finished” at some unknown time. Finally, it is announced an “interim sherrif” will be selected by “county officials.” So the sherrif has been removed by an extra-legal process and his election overturned. My money is on his opponent magically getting the job, all in violation of state law.
The NYT has picked up this story and combined selected details with a proposal that the office of elected sherrif be abolished nationwide because sherrifs have “too much power.” Really. Because they’re elected and only accountable to the people, unlike police chiefs hired by the state.
My guess is, barring a miracle, we’ll have gulags within five years.
My guess is, barring a miracle, we’ll have gulags within five years.
Within two years if Trump does not win in 2020.
The same newspaper just denounced Tulsi Gabbard as a white nationalist. She should request political asylum in a sane country while she still can.
I remember the days when white nationalists were predominantly white. Now they seem to be mostly black and Asian.
For me, Trump’s coup reminds me of the Travis County DA arresting Rick Perry for using his Texas constitutionally right of veto. And this was preceded by her abuse of official authority when she was arrested for DWI. The case actually made it through the first level of the state courts.
Gulags? We already have foreign rendition sites. I would not be surprised to see the military intervene at some point in this mess. If those generals are on the reform side, and not the MIC side, I would almost welcome it.
I’d rather they sit on their thumbs as an angry populace rises up and asserts our sovereignty.
They could keep foreigners from interfering though.
Never in your lifetime? I can think of at least two. Watergate and Iran-Contra. There are more if you look.
I agree. There really is a number of examples of this in history. It really is amazing how this keeps happening. On the flipside; the nation continues to survive this, so that gives me hope.
During previous scandals the intelligence guys stayed out of it. Nixon couldn’t get the FBI or IRS to do anything for him. Obama did that in spades, empowering many government agencies to act as a progressive partisan political branch and giving them virtually free rein to use their power domestically. They really, really want to hold on to that power and use it for “the greater good”, not realizing that that’s exactly what all the Soviet Block intelligence chiefs were convinced they were doing, too, as they protected communism from the will of the people by destroying anyone who dared question it.
There’s a long dark history that tells us what a person’s tendencies become when tasked with “protecting” a people against nefarious enemies, backwards thinkers, and especially against wrong-thought. It shows up in countless movies where the villains are a secret cabal of insiders who are convinced that they know better than anyone else. Of course by happy coincidence, maintaining their own power and fortunes happens to hinge on destroying anyone who might expose or unseat them, or even question their basic honesty, patriotism, and competence.
What they seem not to understand is that their very actions, their refusal to cede to civilian authorities, both compels them toward coups and requires public rebellions against their self-serving tyrannical ambitions.
The DNC never ceases to surprise with the efforts they go through to cover for the Democrats.
The House wants to have secret witnesses testify in secret and prevent the public from hearing the exact words being used and who is saying them and to use these secret proceedings to impeach the President.
Where is the media to call out these shenanigans? Waiting to do their part with leaks and characterizations of what took place.
The Trump presidency is the first to reveal a full-blown schism between the intelligence community and the White House.
This sounds bad for the Trump presidency if one thinks of our “intelligence community” as pro American. But it is the opposite. After eight years of Obama-era leftists gaining control of power in this country, it is Donald Trump’s presidency that represents, supports, and promotes traditional American values–like the ones you and many of us grew up with. We have never seen this before because we had never before departed from our core values as much as we did during Obama. The Trump presidency is under attack because they are getting very close to exposing the corruption and
anti-American activitiesquestionable actions of those in the previous administration.Consider this: at a time not long ago, we were so concerned about an enemy that held values so contrary to ours, and considered such a threat to our way of life, that we felt we had to defend ourselves with hydrogen bombs. Then, in 2008 we just “gave them the keys to the car” and let that very threat take control of the highest powers in our nation. Today, we are seeing in the Trump presidency what may be the last chance of retaining all that we risked, stood for, and fought for in times past.
^^^^^
The depth to which this has penetrated into American society is what worries me. It’s not just that its happening at the national level, but that it’s corrupted politics down to the bottom level:
Here in Granville County, NC, we had an election for sherrif recently, the incumbent against a progressive challeger, a black woman who promised “community policing” and an end to “black incarceration,” among other things. Of course, she lost. Since then, word has come that the state bureau of investigation has wiretapped the sherrif and claims to have recordings of him trying to hire a hit man, target unknown. The local DA threatens to ask the state for a petition of impeachment. Then the sherrif is formally charged with two counts of “obstruction of justice.” He denies it, hired a lawyer, and the case is placed on the state court docket. Then the DA announces he and the sherrif have agreed the sherrif will “step aside” until the trial verdict. There is, of course, no mechanism by which the sherrif can take a leave of absense, but the Chief Deputy will take over until the verdict. Next comes the announcement the trial is off the docket because the sherrif’s lawyer is “too busy” to handle the case right now. Then its announced the sherrif will be paid his salary and benefits until “the SBI investigation is finished” at some unknown time. Finally, it is announced an “interim sherrif” will be selected by “county officials.” So the sherrif has been removed by an extra-legal process and his election overturned. My money is on his opponent magically getting the job, all in violation of state law.
The NYT has picked up this story and combined selected details with a proposal that the office of elected sherrif be abolished nationwide because sherrifs have “too much power.” Really. Because they’re elected and only accountable to the people, unlike police chiefs hired by the state.
My guess is, barring a miracle, we’ll have gulags within five years.
My guess is, barring a miracle, we’ll have gulags within five years.
Within two years if Trump does not win in 2020.
The same newspaper just denounced Tulsi Gabbard as a white nationalist. She should request political asylum in a sane country while she still can.
I remember the days when white nationalists were predominantly white. Now they seem to be mostly black and Asian.
For me, Trump’s coup reminds me of the Travis County DA arresting Rick Perry for using his Texas constitutionally right of veto. And this was preceded by her abuse of official authority when she was arrested for DWI. The case actually made it through the first level of the state courts.
Gulags? We already have foreign rendition sites. I would not be surprised to see the military intervene at some point in this mess. If those generals are on the reform side, and not the MIC side, I would almost welcome it.
I’d rather they sit on their thumbs as an angry populace rises up and asserts our sovereignty.
They could keep foreigners from interfering though.
Never in your lifetime? I can think of at least two. Watergate and Iran-Contra. There are more if you look.
I agree. There really is a number of examples of this in history. It really is amazing how this keeps happening. On the flipside; the nation continues to survive this, so that gives me hope.
During previous scandals the intelligence guys stayed out of it. Nixon couldn’t get the FBI or IRS to do anything for him. Obama did that in spades, empowering many government agencies to act as a progressive partisan political branch and giving them virtually free rein to use their power domestically. They really, really want to hold on to that power and use it for “the greater good”, not realizing that that’s exactly what all the Soviet Block intelligence chiefs were convinced they were doing, too, as they protected communism from the will of the people by destroying anyone who dared question it.
There’s a long dark history that tells us what a person’s tendencies become when tasked with “protecting” a people against nefarious enemies, backwards thinkers, and especially against wrong-thought. It shows up in countless movies where the villains are a secret cabal of insiders who are convinced that they know better than anyone else. Of course by happy coincidence, maintaining their own power and fortunes happens to hinge on destroying anyone who might expose or unseat them, or even question their basic honesty, patriotism, and competence.
What they seem not to understand is that their very actions, their refusal to cede to civilian authorities, both compels them toward coups and requires public rebellions against their self-serving tyrannical ambitions.
The DNC never ceases to surprise with the efforts they go through to cover for the Democrats.
The House wants to have secret witnesses testify in secret and prevent the public from hearing the exact words being used and who is saying them and to use these secret proceedings to impeach the President.
Where is the media to call out these shenanigans? Waiting to do their part with leaks and characterizations of what took place.