Rich Lowry has no sympathy for them:
The Republican establishment has reacted in shock and dismay at Trump’s attacks on the judge hearing the Trump University case, as if it were unaware the party had nominated a man whose calling card has been out-of-bounds, highly charged personal attacks on his opponents.
It must have missed it when he took shots at Ben Carson’s Seventh Day Adventism. It wasn’t watching TV that time when he doubted that Mitt Romney is a Mormon. It put it out of its mind that one of his main arguments against Cruz was that he was a Canadian ineligible for the presidency, and that he liked to sneeringly let it drop every now and then that Cruz’s real name is Rafael. Trump’s suggestion that Cruz couldn’t be an evangelical Christian because of his Cuban ancestry and his Dad might have been involved in the Kennedy assassination must have been similarly memory-holed. And Trump’s birtherism? Hey, who hasn’t harbored suspicions that the president might have been born in Kenya and covered up his secret with a fraudulent birth certificate?
If Trump didn’t call Curiel a Mexican unworthy of hearing his case, you’d almost wonder what had knocked the candidate off his game. But the Republican establishment seems to have believed that it had an implicit pact (unbeknownst to Trump) that he could have the party so long as he didn’t embarrass it too badly.
The breach in this imaginary agreement has occasioned epic ducking and covering. The new equivalent of medieval scholastic philosophers are the Republican senators insisting on heretofore unnoticed distinctions between different levels of support for a presidential candidate.
I share his lack of sympathy.
“I share his lack of sympathy.” Dunno. I support him for president because the alternative is even worse. I don’t think I’m doing anything wrong.
He has promised to have our troops commit war crimes, bt murdering the families of SUSPECTED terrorists… I can not support that .. EVER
So you must not like Obama.
Heh, well, compare and contrast these two news stories from the right wing media:
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/obama-blocks-terror-targets/2015/11/20/id/702993/
Due to an Obama administration policy that is aimed to prevent civilian deaths and collateral damage, U.S. military pilots who have returned home from the fight against the Islamic State (ISIS) in Iraq have definitively stated they were unable to obtain clearance to launch strikes and in turn were blocked from dropping 75 percent of their weaponry on terror targets, The Washington Free Beacon reports.
as opposed to
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/15/90-of-people-killed-by-us-drone-strikes-in-afghani/
Drone strikes conducted by the United States during a 5-month-long campaign in Afghanistan caused the deaths of unintended targets nearly nine out of ten times, leaked intelligence documents suggest.
But, the key distinction here is “unintended targets”. Obama and the Israelis and other Western fighters of terrorism, as opposed to the Russians or Saudis endanger the families of terrorists but don’t actively target them.
In contrast, Trump was proposing to hunt down and kill the families of terrorists. If we take him at his word, and if he was not constrained the US military’s lawfulness, as President, Trump would order a drone strike or a sniper bullet on a terrorist’s child, even if the terrorist himself wasn’t anywhere nearby.
I’m sure you’ll also find disagreement with Obama on Huff Post, The Nation, and The Atlantic.
All are leftist rags.
Nothing to see here.
I think you missed the point. When I link to non-rightwing sources, someone complains about the sources. So I try to at least sometimes link to rightwing sources when I comment here. I wasn’t criticizing the rightwing. I thought it was interesting that Obama was criticized for killing too much and too little, but in either source, there is an acknowledgement that Obama wasn’t targeting civilians in the sense that Trump suggested.
Obama ordered the assassination of Americans and their families. That their families, in these or other cases, were present, didn’t stop Obama from approving the strikes.
It is a very Western-centric POV that wives are incapable of being participants. I don’t support killing indiscriminately but if the family is involved in jihad against the USA, the parties involved should be treated equally or at the very least, not used as an excuse to avoid taking out the main target.
I actually agree with Obama on this point but it is amazing to see Democrats think Trump is evil incarnate but Obama is pure as snow.
Apologies if I missed the point.
Ah, an “Endorsement” is supposed to mean something. It’s one thing to vote for Trump, because “Never Hillary”, it’s another thing altogether to suggest he’s your choice……..
On the other hand, they did us the favor of showing us they were as vile and corrupt as many Trump supporters thought. That Trump himself is as much a part of the corruption as anyone in the GOPe is besides the point I guess. They got the candidate they deserved, the rest of us not so much.
Yes. As Rich point out, it was their hatred of Cruz, combined with the tens of millions Bush dumped on Rubio, that gave them Trump.
They should have grew a pair and realized that the hated Cruz woould be far far better than the imbecilic, ungovernable, incoherent, inexperienced goofball that is Trump.
But they let their pride get in the way of their brains.
Completely agree that the hatred for Cruz, by the GOP elites, gave us Trump. I also think Trump missed an opportunity to let Hillary and the OIG report be the news of the week, by bad mouthing his judge.
The caveats provided.
I don’t see Trump’s comments regarding his lawsuit and his concerns to be far different than comments made by Steyn regarding his lawsuits. Both are ill-advised, but I’m not going to clutch any pearls over it.
So tell me why the judge gets a pass on belonging to a racist organization? On what basis would he recuse himself?
Trump said Mexican instead of Mexican-American. So now the news that everyone has got to know is the judge was born in Indiana and any other truth is out of bounds?
If there’s a basis for the judge to recuse himself, why haven’t Trump’s lawyers asked him to do so?
Trump’s lawyers aren’t required to. A judge is suppose to make that determination for themselves. That an Obama appointee can join a racist organization (and have Fox news reporters shill for them) should be enough of a disgrace.
If they’re not filing to request him to do it, they obviously don’t take the notion very seriously themselves.
Or they feel there’s no point. The judge decides.
Only a stupid lawyer with a rich client doesn’t file every possible motion.
But then, Trump called his own people stupid just the other day. Let’s make him president!
Trump has a big mouth. That’s not [exactly] why he’s supported.
blah, blah, blather blather, Obama appointee, spawn of Satan, blah, blah, blah
He was appointed by Schwarzenegger before Obama. I guess that disqualifies him from judging Republicans or Democrats, right?
This is Ken’s brain. This is your Ken’s brain on talk radio.
He was appointed by both, but to you this reveals nothing?
Edward, Show us you can learn and I will be impressed. You are capable of so much better as you’ve shown many times in the past that I will discount this feeble attempt to be relevant.
I don’t even have a radio or TV. They’re filled with drivel. I depend on you Edward so step up your game and quit with the fascist insults… very childish.
I have no interest in impressing a white nationalist nutter, Ken.
In fact, I’m quite pleased with the way things are going, thanks to the antics of Trump and supporters like you. A new poll shows 40% of GOP politicians now want to dump Trump at the convention. That number will only rise as the racist outbursts continue. So, please, keep up the bad work!
I have no interest in impressing a white nationalist nutter, Ken.
When you speak of racism, do you ever look at the things you say? Aren’t you acting just like Trump?
Here is another one, do you look at the open borders mobs that shout racist slurs and beat innocent people?
a white nationalist nutter, Ken.
ROFLMAO!!!
Edward, that is the funniest thing I’ve heard in years.
I am a racist… a human racist. Everybody I know is brown. I’ve never met a black or white person. Even albinos tend to be pink.
In two churches I attended, one in NY and the other in WA I was the only white guy there. Do you know what the young ladies would ask me? They did amazing braiding of hair and they wanted to know if I thought they were modest (as the bible suggests they should be.) For you to compare me to a skinhead is almost too rich.
You’re making my ribs hurt.
40% of GOP politicians
LOL. Which represents what? 0.0000001% of actual voters?
Because he doesn’t belong to a racist organization. That slander has been refuted time and time again. The San Diego La Raza Bar Association has no connection whatever to the National Council or La Raza. There are 3000 organizations and businesses that use “La Raza” as part of their name in California alone.
It is disgusting (but not surprising) Trumpers are continuing to repeat that lie. You have obviously adopted the Marxist ethic says you are justified in using any tactic and telling any law to advance your political cause.
And how is the La Raza Bar Association not a transparently racist organization? The very name screams it.
BS Edward. Not only does the LRBA support the clearly racist La Raza national organization but you would argue that the ‘White People Bar Assoc.’ wasn’t racist?
The connection.
Except you go to their website’s affiliate page and LaRaza is listed right under their bylaws. There is a professional relationship between the two organizations. Do they cohost events? Have membership crossover? Believe the same ideology?
We know why the Democrat media isn’t looking into this but why didn’t Redstate? Similar reasons.
Trump’s lead attorney denies those claims, Wodun. What does it say about Trumpers when even Trump’s lawyer says you’re lying?
Wodun. Wasn’t that the Norse god the Nazis worshipped? Does your use of that name prove you’re a Nazi god?
Deny what claims? You can go look at the website for yourself.
I’ve been using this handle for a long time, you are the first person to use this attack against me. Congratulations. Indecently, Hillary did something similar to Trump. If you think attacks like this are wrong, why do you use them? Why does Hillary get a pass? Why are Democrats allowed to constantly engage in it on far broader and deeper scales?
Is that the best you can do, Wodun? Hillary gets a pass on her lies, so you should get a pass on yours?
There really is no difference between Trumpers and Democrats, is there?
Is that the best you can do, Wodun?
Where is your consistency?
You advocate open borders and then ignore the racism from the people you align yourself with. The things they say and the actions they take are far worse than Trump saying a judge doesn’t like him because he belongs to an ethnic group that is expected to hate him by yourself and Democrats.
When some people say hispanics don’t like Trump its ok but when Trump says it, its racist?
Do you speak out against the mobs of leftist racists chasing people down in the streets and beating them? The only way to prevent the mob violence from open borders activists and institutional violence from the Democrat party is for Hillary to lose.
Do you want Hillary to win? Do you endorse the racial violence? Do you think the 2nd amendment should be done away with? That freedom of speech shouldn’t exist?
+1 to others that note “La Raza” means The Race, thus being racists is in the name.
-1000 to Leland for not knowing that word can have more than one meaning.
“La Raza,” for example, can mean “the race”, “the people”, or “the community.”
No reasonable person would assume that “Car Wash La Raza” is a racist business.
The San Diego Bar Association was just one of 10 legal associations which Judge Curiel belonged to, at the time he was appointed to the Federal bench. All of legally certified as being non-discriminatory.
Even Trump’s lead attorney says this is a false claim.
You’re suddenly worried about racism? After years of immigrant-baiting? How many times did you and Rand tell me there is no such thing as racism or nativism? Didn’t Rand say just the other week racism was merely “a word used by the Left”?
Okay. Since you’re suddenly concerned about racism and La Raza, guess who helped funded La Raza Congressional and Capital Award winners?
The “presumptive nominee” of the Republican Party. David Duke’s “white knight.” Donald Trump himself.
http://www.examiner.com/article/trump-donated-thousands-to-la-raza-award-recipients-including-kamala-harris
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
How many times did you and Rand tell me there is no such thing as racism or nativism?
Zero. Neither of us have ever told you that.
Didn’t Rand say just the other week racism was merely “a word used by the Left”?
I seriously doubt it, but I’d have to see the context.
But your reading comprehension is often as terrible as your ESP.
Trump gives to charities??? Say it isn’t so!
With Trump you imagine this has some deep significant meaning? Try being consistent (and quit trying to make Trump so.) He gives money when people ask nicely. Sometimes he gives money for less reason than that.
To Trump it’s no different than tipping a waiter.
There are new treatments for memory loss, Rand. You might want to look into them.
At least you aren’t denying that racist nativists are racist nativists anymore.
There are new treatments for memory loss, Rand.
There are also treatments for schizophrenia and hallucinations. You might want to look into them.
At least you aren’t denying that racist nativists are racist nativists anymore.
I never did that, either. If you’re going to attempt to make shit up about what I write, a link would be appreciated.
Trump gives to charities??? Say it isn’t so!
LOL. So, La Raza goes from horrible racist organization to a fine charity when the Orange Man donates to them?
guess who helped funded
Looks like Trump has given money to just about everyone. I can’t believe what a dbag racist he is.
Something else to consider is why business people have to give so much money to politicians.
the Orange Man
You’re trying to argue Trump is something you’ve been arguing he isn’t? Edward, I’m going to have to call you on your pretzel logic.
“La Raza,” for example, can mean “the race”, “the people”, or “the community.”
Nope, the words translated from Spanish to English mean “The Race”. Note the capitalization. If the organization was called “El Publico” or “La Gente”, you might have something. Instead, all you seem to have is “Orange Man” and “White Nativist” insults of your own. You are almost literally stating and following this idiom.
Edward, people provide you with links for a reason. You may continue to ignore them. Have you paid any attention to the words of the founder of LRBA? Obviously not.
But keep digging.
You may have missed this link.
Gee Edward, maybe if you toned down the squealing a tad your comment might be taken a bit more seriously.
It sounds like you took Bret Stephens most recent WSJ tirade a little too seriously. He attempts to dispel what he see’s as the most despicable falsehoods about our wonderfully benign southern neighbor and ends up… well, getting a little high-pitched:
Mexico is a failed state. Stephens: No it’s not. Sure they have drug cartel school children massacres, but it’s all our fault.
Mexico is a threat to U.S. security. Stephens: Not it’s not. Could terrorists infiltrate the U.S. by crossing the border? Sure, if they wanted to risk being asphyxiated in the back of a crowded migrant truck somewhere in Sinaloa. (if you don’t think that’s high-pitched I really can’t help you)
Illegal immigrants are a drain on the system. Stephens: No they’re not. Here’s some numbers for you. What? How much remittance flows south annually? Not relevant. NOT RELEVANT I TELL YOU!
Meanwhile, let’s state clearly what shouldn’t need saying but does: Americans are blessed to have Mexico as our neighbor
Well, I fell blessed. Don’t you?
My understanding of conditions in Mexico: Drug gangs operate freely across much of the country, enabled by rampant police corruption. These same gangs exercise practically complete control over many towns. Kidnapping of wealthy private individuals for ransom, especially executives of foreign corporations operating in country, is a common practice. Other towns are under the control of citizens militias sick and tired of the drug gangs and corrupt police. Leading exports appear to include illegal drugs and illegal immigrants.
That certainly doesn’t sound like a successful state. Certainly not a state we should allow uncontrolled immigration from.
There’s a reason nobody is concerned at all about immigration from Canada – the same reason a 5000 mile border is undefended on both sides. I wonder, what’s the difference between America’s neighbors…
Well those sneaky Canadians are massing on our border and speaking French… two good reasons we should invade!
The San Diego Bar Association was just one of 10 legal associations which Judge Curiel belonged to
Can’t wait to research the other nine!
This is why I’m not a joiner.
There’s a reason nobody is concerned at all about immigration from Canada – the same reason a 5000 mile border is undefended
Your information is out of date. Security along the US-Canadian border has increased dramatically in the last 20 years. In some cases, barriers go right through the middle of towns that happen to be located on the border.
Surveillance is not limited to the actual border, either. In Washington state, ferries traveling between the mainland and the Friday Islands are routinely searched without warrant. A friend who travels frequently in upstate New York tells me the same thing happens with Greyhound buses there.
Edward Wright, the enforcement in Washington state is mostly to deal with terrorism threats. The ferries were targeted a few years ago.
Conflating activities on the border to deal with terrorism threats is far different than preventing illegal immigration from Canada. Are you saying all Canadians are terrorists?
Everyone is upset that Trump brought up someone’s heritage to claim they were based against him. Where is the outrage when Hillary brings up Trump’s heritage to say he, and all other Germans, are Hitler?
Do these racial outrage rules apply equally and if so, when do Democrats ever get held to the same standard?
The outrage isn’t there because Hillary was using making a reductio ad absurdum argument. ( I bet you already knew that.)
Sure Bob-1. The Democrats haven’t been using Drumph’s heritage to attack him or claim he is Hitler…
Well, first, I was talking about Hillary, not unnamed Democrats. But yes, there are plenty of comparisons to Hitler, and I think they are quite justified. In my opinion, Trump is much more like Hitler than any mainstream presidential nominee since WWII.
But it is ridiculous to suggest that this similarity to Hitler is because of Trump’s ethnic background! It is his positions, not his ethnicity, that is the problem!
As for mocking references to the family’s name change, “Trump” is a very impressive sounding name in English. I think people would make fun of his name just the same if he had changed it to Trump from something that sounded Polish or Italian or just about anywhere. John Oliver claimed the Trump name is magical and calling him Drumpf breaks the magic spell. I don’t think this is an anti-German slight. And in any case, that certainly wasn’t what Hillary was doing.
Well, first, I was talking about Hillary
Aren’t her comments just code for what Democrats say in more candid situations? Its like an inside joke.
But it is ridiculous to suggest that this similarity to Hitler is because of Trump’s ethnic background!
So I guess you will be freaking out on Hillary and the Democrats? No? Ok then…
there are plenty of comparisons to Hitler
No there isn’t. Democrats always say non-Democrats are Hitler, always. You should look up Godwin’s Law. It’s Godwin right out of the gate and Godwins all the way down.
I think people would make fun of his name
Why is it OK for Democrats to make fun of other people’s heritage? Saying you would make fun of his heritage no matter what his heritage was, doesn’t make it better. Isn’t this far worse than how Trump treated the judge?
Sometimes I wonder if Democrats ever listen to themselves speak.
I think Trump says some things that are disgusting but are far milder than the things I have been hearing Democrats say for decades. Then we could talk about Democrats organizing mob violence and chasing people down in the streets and beating them.
Do people have to die before Democrats examine their warped racist totalitarian ideology?
I explained about the name, but you’re not hearing what I’m saying.
I’m much more interested in your clam that the Democrats are organizing mob violence. You keep saying it, but you have given me no reason to think that it is true. (I assume you’re not simply saying that there are some people who are violent who also vote for Democrats.)
I explained about the name, but you’re not hearing what I’m saying.
Its a BS excuse. Hillary knows what her base is doing and she is playing to it. Saying all Americans with German blood are Hitler is disgusting and its just as bad to use people’s last names to attack their heritage and tie them to Hitler.
Maybe it is stupid but I am not the one who made these rules but since the rules exist, then we have to hold the rule makers to the standards they create for others.
I’m much more interested in your claim that the Democrats are organizing mob violence.
You haven’t seen Democrats beating people all over the country? Jumping on cars? Throwing things at horses?
Bob-1, these are not spontaneous protests. They are organized by Democrat activist groups. The same groups that Obama used government resources to help organize in Ferguson. The same groups that are funded by dark money. They are the soul of the Democrat party and are highly organized, funded, helped with government resources, and shielded by the Democrat media.
They even have lawyers wearing vests or hats that rush in run interference with the cops when the Democrat activists are about to get arrested.
Isn’t it funny that Obama used the IRS to go after Tea Party, and other groups, because he said that they shouldn’t be involved in politics? How many of these Democrat activist groups waging violent campaigns of intimidation and voter suppression are tax exempt 501c3? c4? How many of them get money from the government? How many of them have government agencies help organize their events?
If you want to believe the fantasy that the “protesters” are just random people out for a walk one day, go ahead but anyone who has followed the activities of Democrat activists knows better.
“Whether they were inspired by Soros-funded groups, or just out for a walk one day and decided to attack some Trump supporters, what difference, at this point, does it make?”
On the other hand . . .
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-09/five-reasons-decent-people-may-want-to-back-trump
I don’t see how “elites need a rebuke” (one of the five reasons listed) is a reason for decent people to support Trump. Decent people wouldn’t make a decision about such an important job for such a petty reason. Even if you want to say “the elite have colluded to keep important issues off the table”, your reasons for supporting Trump should be about those issues, not about your anger with being condescended to. If you are just voting out of anger in order to get respect, instead of worrying about how the country ought to be managed and who is best qualified to be President, you deserve to be condescended to.
Decent people wouldn’t make a decision about such an important job for such a petty reason.
Only if they never want that to change. The reason isn’t petty either.
I consider this the prison peanut butter problem. If the only way for a US prisoner to to petition to change the brand of peanut butter to something edible is to sue the state in court, then that’s what happens.
I imagine one nasty consequence of this primary season is that the Republican party will adopt some anti-democratic measures, like an increase in superdelegates, to keep out populist candidates like Trump.
Regarding the prison peanut butter problem analogy: suing in federal court seems like an excellent solution. To me, that seems analogous to voting for Cruz. Voting for Trump seems more like staging an utterly unproductive prison riot.
Voting for Trump seems more like staging an utterly unproductive prison riot.
Obviously, Trump voters don’t think that they’re doing something unproductive or violent. So what makes your perception more relevant than theirs?
Obviously, Trump voters don’t think that they’re doing something unproductive or violent.
Heh, its more like a peaceful protest speaking truth to power. Mostly civil but not always and more civil and peaceful than any Democrat protest.
Not sure why Democrats always frame non-Democrats as violent when the Democrats are the ones doing all the violence.
Its quite clear this is organized violence at the party level and also enabled at the governmental level. Cops channeled Trump supporters into mobs of Democrats. Then stood by and did nothing as Democrats beat them with rocks, bottles, fists, and feet. It is amazing no one was killed.
We all know that Loretta Lynch will not be doing anything about voter intimidation and these hate crimes. We are witnessing massive civil rights violations that we haven’t seen since Democrats rioted to protect segregation and Jim Crow.
your reasons for supporting Trump should be about those issues
I had considered staying home on voting day, I will anyway because I vote by mail, but I considered not voting. But after watching Democrats organize their activist groups to wage a violent campaign of violence and intimidation all over the country, I am voting for someone that can prevent Hillary and the neosocialists from winning and doing to the country what their non-profit tax exempt activist groups do in the streets.
Earlier you said Trump was the closest thing to Hitler, you are wrong. The Democrats are. Just look at the rise in popularity of national socialism, the organized violence, the lawfare, and the desire to control every aspect of people’s lives.
After all of the things I have heard Democrats say about Trump, I don’t know how they could vote for Hillary, Sanders, or any other Democrat after the way the Democrat party has conducted itself over the last 16 years, and especially this election cycle.
Its a case study of Poe’s Law.
From today’s politico:
Meg Whitman compares Donald Trump to Hitler, Mussolini
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/meg-whitman-donald-trump-hitler-mussolini-224212
Really?
I’m supposed to care what the political moron Meg Whitman thinks?
Why?
Wodun said “Democrats always say non-Democrats are Hitler, always.” What’s new is that now it is prominent voices in the GOP are saying the presumptive GOP nominee is like Hitler. Rand, perhaps you shouldn’t care, but I thought GOP voters like Wodun might care.
I thought GOP voters like Wodun might care.
Damn bob, when you go wrong, you go real wrong. Quote from Wodun, from the post you are responding:
“Earlier [bob] said Trump was the closest thing to Hitler, [bob is] wrong. The Democrats are.”
Nobody here cares what you think, bob. Hitler is dead. People calling others Hitler in debate is such a worn out fallacy, it has been given a name for over 25 years now. Go on with your worn out and idiotic arguments. You’re boring us.
Your unnecessarily insulting comment does raise a worthwhile question. We don’t want to be the boy who cried wolf, but we don’t want to refuse to learn from history. What do commenters here suppose are the minimal criteria for claiming that a Presidential candidate really is acting like Hitler did in the early phase of Hitler’s rise to power?
I don’t know. Supporting universal health care? Trampling on the legislative branch with unconstitutional executive orders? Telling supporters to “bring a gun to a knife fight,” and “get in their faces”? Make “jokes” about having the IRS audit your enemies and then when it actually happens, say “there’s not a smidgen of corruption”?
What’s new is that now it is prominent voices in the GOP are saying
Doesn’t make their statements any more accurate.
The leader that Trump closest resembles is Obama and it is hilarious that Democrats are worried that Trump might act like Obama. But I doubt that the federal government will be used as a weapon against ideological enemies because Trump isn’t an ideological warrior. So Trump is much less like Hitler than Obama is.
It turns out the San Jose police herded Trump supporters into the rioters then did nothing to prevent the assaults. When Trump does this you can start comparing him to Hitler.
Until then, you may consider your affinity to Goebbels.