26 thoughts on “Hillary’s Emails”

  1. As always in this story, no reliable information. We wait. The FBI may decide to do nothing and there would be no recourse. Or they may explode her campaign. Anyone who claims to know what will happen who is not in the FBI is just working on their prior assumption.

  2. New revelations suggest Clintonworld should worry

    What new revelations? “Clintonworld” (and anyone who doesn’t want to see Donald Trump in the Oval Office) should worry until the investigation is closed, but not because of anything we’ve learned recently.

    1. On Monday, the State Department revealed that it couldn’t find any e-mails from Bryan Pagliano, Clinton’s senior I.T. staffer when she was secretary of state.

      On Tuesday, The New York Times published an article detailing how Clinton’s State Department regularly used unclassified government networks to communicate and send classified e-mail to each other

      The same day, The Washington Post reported that top Clinton aide Cheryl Mills and her lawyer had walked out of an interview with an F.B.I. investigator when she was asked questions

      And on Wednesday, F.B.I. Director James Comey forcefully pushed back against the euphemistic characterization of the probe by Clinton and her allies as a “security inquiry,” telling reporters that it is indeed an F.B.I. investigation

      Gee Jim, if none of this is new, you must be scouring the news hourly. Take an aspirin or something.

      and anyone who doesn’t want to see Donald Trump in the Oval Office
      Lots of folks in these parts qualify there. Doesn’t mean they won’t vote for him, especially if the FBI decides to indict her.

      Oh, yeah, I can see where you’d be inclined to check the news hourly. Like I said, take a pill.

      1. Pagliano was already testifying under immunity. The fact that State doesn’t have all his emails doesn’t necessarily pose any problem for FBI investigators.

        It has been known for years that State Department employees routinely exchange classified information on their unclassified government email system. That was true under Condoleezza Rice as well. It’s also been known for a while that State’s email system has been hacked from abroad. If anything, this story offers reasons why the DOJ might not pursue charges against Clinton.

        The fact that an FBI investigator asked Mills questions that the DOJ had agreed to consider off-limits doesn’t tell you anything about how worried Clinton should be.

        Similarly, the fact that the Clinton campaign likes to refer to the investigation using made-up euphemisms like “security inquiry”, and the fact that the FBI director isn’t amused by this word game, tell you nothing about the odds of an indictment.

        1. Not only euphemisms but made-up ones and also word games?

          No true Clinton would ever say such things! These must be the utterances of a Republican imposter. Reince Priebus must have the real Hillary Clinton sequestered in a suite of rooms over at Hilton Head, South Carolina.

          Anyone here been there, recently? Heard or saw anything suspicious like menacing dudes in sunglasses directing you away from certain floors or wings of buildings? Of thumping, shuffling, or hopping sounds coming from the ceiling or “mmmmfffff uummmmffff” sounds coming from behind a closed door?

        2. The fact that State doesn’t have all his emails doesn’t necessarily pose any problem for FBI investigators.

          No, its a problem for Hillary and the State Department who are colluding to destroy evidence and obstruct justice.

        3. The fact that State doesn’t have all his emails doesn’t necessarily pose any problem for FBI investigators.

          No, but it is a continuing part of a pattern of an attempted coverup, just as with the IRS.

          1. What motive does Pagliano have to cover anything up? Hiding anything from the FBI at this point would blow up his immunity agreement.

            There’s a funny dissonance in which rightists simultaneously believe that government bureaucrats are utterly incompetent, and also that they are meticulous about preserving every email message — which is why any missing message is proof of a deliberate cover up.

          3. What motive does Pagliano have to cover anything up? Hiding anything from the FBI at this point would blow up his immunity agreement.

            And those emails can only be deleted by Pagliano right now? Those emails could have been deleted years ago by someone other than Pagliano. What we do know is someone deleted them, else they would still be there.

            And immunity agreements are not all encompassing. I doubt there’s any dirt in there which wouldn’t be covered by an immunity agreement, but it is possible, even in your proposed scenario, that Pagliano would have something in there worse for him than blowing up immunity agreements.

            Or he might just be that dumb.

            The fact that State doesn’t have all his emails doesn’t necessarily pose any problem for FBI investigators.

            But the loss of those emails probably does pose such a problem. That’s the whole point of destruction of evidence and why it is made illegal. Because it easily obstructs a lawful investigation.

      2. That was true under Condoleezza Rice as well.

        Just because you continuously state a lie, doesn’t make it true. If what you said was true, you would have something to back this up: “It has been known for years that State Department employees routinely exchange classified information on their unclassified government email system.” You don’t because you made it up read it on DemocratUnderground or similar and just assumed it must be true.

        Here’s the fact: “None of the material was marked as classified, but the substance of the material and ‘NODIS’ (No Distribution) references in the body or subject lines of some of the documents suggested that the documents could be potentially sensitive,” Linick wrote in the memo.

        He wrote that in mid-October his office sent 19 documents to the inspector general for the intelligence community, which determined in mid-December that they didn’t contain any intelligence community information.

        In late December, however, the State Department told Linick’s office that 12 of the 19 documents “contain national security information classified at the Secret or Confidential levels based on a review by nine department bureaus and offices.”

        In a statement, Powell said the emails were from his executive assistant. He said they were forwarded messages that two U.S. ambassadors sent to members of the State Department’s staff. “My executive assistant thought I should see them in a timely manner so sent them to my personal account,” he said.

        He said that while the department now has said they are “confidential,” which is a low level of classification, both messages were unclassified at the time and there was no reason not to forward them to his personal account.

        The state department nearly a decade later now claims the emails are the lowest level of classification. That neither sounds like anyone was passing classified information nor was it routine. The classified information found on Hillary’s server were classified at the time it was sent to her.

        1. The state department nearly a decade later now claims

          Isn’t that just a little too convenient? Long after Rice and Powell leave office, the State Department retroactively declares items as classified just when Hillary needs a smoke screen. Nothing fishy here…

        2. The handful of Powell and Rice emails that have been examined fall into the same category as the vast majority of the Clinton emails at the center of the investigation: they weren’t marked as classified went sent, but upon later review were retroactively declared classified. That is strong evidence that if you went through all the emails from that period (if that were possible) you’d get similar results to the Clinton inquiry.

          1. the vast majority of the Clinton emails

            The vast majority of Clinton’s emails were destroyed and never examined by anyone except Hillary’s team of scrubbers.

            That is strong evidence that if you went through all the emails from that period

            Can’t be done because they were destroyed, which is strong evidence of malfeasance, especially since the act of destruction is malfeasance.

            The handful of Powell and Rice emails that have been examined

            Why were they examined at all? Why only a small number? Is it because the entire operation was an effort from the State Department to engage in politics and protect Hillary?

            It’s a scam. Hillary and the Democrats are scammers. They turned the State Department and other government agencies into one party scammers.

  4. DOJ’s too busy suing North Carolina over bathrooms to pursue any case against Hillary, even if they wanted to, and I see no reason to believe they do.

      1. Will we find out what the FBI recommends to the DOJ? If the recommendation is not public (and I haven’t seen indications that it will be), the DOJ could just sit on it and down the memory hole it goes. Leaks will be relatively easy to deal with as just being hearsay.

        1. Leaks will be relatively easy to deal with as just being hearsay.

          Unless someone goes public with the necessary records. We’ll see what happens.

        2. _If_ the FBI is honest enough and ornery enough to recommend indictment, I don’t believe that they would put up with a year of work just getting disappeared. But that’s a big If.

  5. What perplexes me is the sheer size of the FBI investigation. Multiple sources over several months have said it’s in excess of 100 agents. They could, of course, be wrong, but if they are anywhere close to right, the first question should be “why”?

    I don’t see how it’s plausible that the server/national security issue itself could occupy that many agents for this much time. However, if there’s a related, highly complex aspect, then that would explain it. The only thing I can think of entailing that much complexity would be financial – such as selling favors from the State Dept. in return for donations to the Clinton Foundation.

    I do suspect that no matter what the FBI director said, there is sort of a time factor they are mindful of; the fact that if they are going to indict, it would behoove them to do so before their suspect is also their boss – as well as empowered to pardon herself.

    1. Wikipedia is quoting sources w 12 and 30-ish agents, and originally quoted the larger number but removed it after an edit war. Somebody’s wrong, but that’s true about just about everything in this story.

    2. The only thing I can think of entailing that much complexity would be financial – such as selling favors from the State Dept. in return for donations to the Clinton Foundation.

      Sources have already indicated that she’s under investigation for public corruption. That is doubtless what is being referred top there.

  6. It’s amazing how many emails and hard drives are destroyed by this administration. How many agencies has this happened at? The EPA, VA, IRS, DoD, CIA, and the State Department just to name a few.

    I bet if we had an independant media rather than a party controlled propaganda machine, we would find this behavior taking place in every single government agency run or staffed with Obama appointees.

    1. It occurs far far too often for it to be happenstance.

      Everything about the Obama administration strains credulity to people with common sense.

      Well everything except for how he wants to transform the US into a European Socialist State.

  7. I am done waiting .. nothing is going to happen .. it will all just go away and a couple years from now no one will even remember it … a sign of the times I guess…

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