84 thoughts on “The Dems Start To Face Reality”

  1. The Democratic primary campaign is very boring this year, and the press hates a boring story, so there will be ongoing efforts to try to make things more interesting. We’ve already seen a Sanders boomlet, and a spate of Biden and Gore rumors. I expect we’ll have stories like the one linked to above right up until she’s nominated. I’d expect it for any candidate running so far ahead of her primary competition.

    2. “…..the press hates a boring story, so there will be ongoing efforts to try to make things more interesting. We’ve already seen a Sanders boomlet, and a spate of Biden and Gore rumors.”

      So are you saying that these are concoctions of the press?

      1. I think that Hillary’s odds of winning the nomination are as high today as they were six months ago, which is to say extremely high. I predict that neither Biden nor Gore will enter the race, and that Sanders won’t win half as many delegates as Clinton.

        1. You avoided answering the question – just like Hillary!!!!!

          I’ll ask it again:

          So are you saying that these are concoctions of the press?

          1. Jim is bitterly clinging to a Hillary candidacy. She’s toast. She’s on video literally not understanding #blacklivesmatter. That the video was taken at all, and then it was released to the Internet, means she has lost control of her messaging.

          2. They aren’t created out of whole cloth. There really are some people excited about Sanders, and people trading rumors about Biden and Gore. But those stories are getting much more attention than they would if there was more interesting Democratic primary news.

          3. “They aren’t created out of whole cloth. There really are some people excited about Sanders, ”

            Ah ok so now we’ve established that there is, in your mind a Sander’s “Boomlet”.

            I suppose the fact that he can draw 27,000 and Hillary struggles to corral 5k means nothing to you…merely a boomlet.

            By the way, I don’t think Sanders has a chance either. But what he’s doing is identifying where your party’s temperament and thoughts lie. Same as what Trump is doing (who also has no chance).

            But in Sander’s case, what he is also demonstrating (unlike Trump) is that there ARE viable alternatives the party can get behind. Hillary is not your only choice. That fact plus the ever growing scandals make her chances of winning the nomination smaller every day.

            Trump isn’t demonstrating that there are viable alternatives because…there are viable alternatives. No one is assumed on the GOP side.

          4. I suppose the fact that he can draw 27,000 and Hillary struggles to corral 5k means nothing to you…merely a boomlet.

            Hillary came to Houston to fundraiser and give a speech. She held her event at TSU, a historical black college that sits literally next door to UofH. TSU also has a small gym, of which half was blocked off as a sort of stage prop, and Hillary could not fill it up.

            A month later, Bernie shows up, books the UofH arena known as the original home of Phi Slamma Jamma, which is to say it can hold a crowd. Indeed, it can hold a much larger crowd than the TSU arena. Bernie filled it up.

            Again, this is Houston, and Bernie could draw a full arena. Hillary picked something smaller than the local school districts have for basketball events, and couldn’t fill it. Then again, the trial lawyers in Houston are the only reason Hillary even visited Houston (unless she was also stopping into see Anise Parker…). In terms of voters, Hillary is toast. In terms of trial lawyers, Hillary might be giving back.

        2. The Democrats are better off nominating Bernie Sanders. At least Sanders is clean and therefore doesn’t present The Donald an opportunity to use US Attorneys and judges (under The Donald’s payroll) to put Hillary in an orange jumpsuit at an inconvenient period of time around Election Day.

          This assumes The Donald is serious of course.

    3. I expect we’ll have stories like the one linked to above right up until she’s nominated.

      Unless, of course, she doesn’t get nominated. She’s had plenty of time to make a coherent case for why she uses a private email server that just happened to have classified information, which was classified at the time. From listening to the discussion, some of that classified information couldn’t make its way to her server without breaking federal law.

      1. Don’t kid yourself. Jim is still trying to figure out the way to turn Hillary’s downfall into Obama’s actual third term. He’s said on more than one occasion that his biggest problem with the current Democrat primary race is the 22nd Amendment. Until/unless the situation with Hillary can be turned into 4 more years for Obama, don’t expect Jim (or Obama) to fully turn on her.

        Note: a 3rd Obama term includes such things are being picked as a running mate and/or Michelle ascending as her own nominee.

        1. There is no Hillary downfall. Neither Obama will be on the ticket, as much as I wish Barack Obama could run again. As fun as it is to imagine crazy scenarios, Hillary is going to be the Democratic nominee, and more-likely-than-not will win the general, unless the economy goes south between now and November, 2016.

          For crazy scenarios you have to turn to the circus on the GOP side; with so many candidates (and especially Trump) there is more than enough drama. Fortunately for the country, though unfortunately for politics as entertainment, I expect that Trump will leave the race by Super Tuesday.

          1. unless the economy goes south between now and November, 2016.

            The economy has been south for seven years. Despite glowing unemployment numbers, the people know the real story.

          2. “Hillary is going to be the Democratic nominee, and more-likely-than-not will win the general,”

            We’ll remember you said that.

          3. We’ll remember you said that.

            Good! People should get called on failed predictions. I remember your writing that it will be “all over” for Obama in 2014 because of all the people killed by Obamacare. I also recall your prediction that “your vaunted minority and youth vote will be way down next Presidential election because a minority isn’t running.” We’ll see!

          4. The economy has been south for seven years

            The important thing politically is the trajectory, which has been mildly positive. That trend was enough to re-elect Obama, and is enough (if it continues) to elect Clinton.

          5. Obama wasn’t re-elected because the economy was trending better. He was re-elected because he lied about ObamaCare and defeating Jihad and the non-existent “war on women,” and used the IRS to suppress his political opponents.

          6. The important thing politically is the trajectory, which has been mildly positive. That trend was enough to re-elect Obama, and is enough (if it continues) to elect Clinton.

            Yep, prosperity is just around the corner! Always, always around the corner. Carter kept promising this and never delivered. Reagan turned the economy around in four years.

          7. That’s right. I was wrong about it being all over for Obama in 2012 (not 2014) because of the number of people killed about Obamacare.

            I was wrong because:

            1) I didn’t factor in spineless GOP who, when given the entire congress failed to delete Obama-cide and

            2) Didn’t factor in the human nature of the States who would find a way around Obama-cide and limit its spread (thankfully).

            I’m glad to be wrong about #2.

            We’ll see how you behave. Given your track record I expect a lot of prevarication, dissembling and outright falsification of your past positions. Experience has taught us well.

          8. The GDPNow model forecast for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the third quarter of 2015 is 1.3 percent on August 18, up from 0.7 percent on August 13. The forecast for real GDP growth increased from 0.7 percent to 1.2 percent after Friday’s industrial production release from the Federal Reserve. Most of this increase was due to a 15.3 percent increase in seasonally adjusted motor vehicle assemblies in July that boosted the forecast of the contribution of real inventory investment to third-quarter GDP growth from -2.2 percentage points to -1.8 percentage points.

            https://www.frbatlanta.org/cqer/research/gdpnow.aspx

            Wow! Estimated 1.2% for the 3rd quarter! Most of that growth is from auto sales, and now that we have subprime auto lending, we know these sales are for people who have no money. Way to go Obama administration. That, Jim, is a recovery.

          9. “Wow! Estimated 1.2% for the 3rd quarter! ”

            Hey, don’t forget about all the revisions these GDP numbers are subjected to, like the rosey GDP numbers right before the election that have since been revised downward. Jim likes to look at the trend lines but then never goes back to see how the administration is squeing the trends and then revising the numbers when the voters aren’t looking.

          10. He was re-elected because he lied about ObamaCare and defeating Jihad and the non-existent “war on women,” and used the IRS to suppress his political opponents.

            That’s really all it takes? Just tell the voters that you’ve done a better job than they think (“Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?”) and delay the certification of some 501c4s who aren’t legally allowed to devote their energies to electoral politics in any case? What a fascinating theory of politics. If it was that easy to win the presidency despite the voters’ wishes one wonders why Obama was the only one to figure it out.

          12. I was wrong about it being all over for Obama in 2012 (not 2014)

            Here’s the link, from December 20, 2013:

            Once people – children – start dying (next year) due to lack of coverage, it will be all over for Obama.

            2) Didn’t factor in the human nature of the States who would find a way around Obama-cide and limit its spread (thankfully).

            Obamacare is in full effect (including Medicaid expansion) in about half the states. Those states didn’t “find a way around” the law. And nobody seems to be dying in those places as a result; if anything thousands of lives are being saved.

            We’ll see how you behave. Given your track record I expect a lot of prevarication, dissembling and outright falsification of your past positions.

            Then post a link to what I actually wrote; that’ll put me in my place.

          13. Hey, don’t forget about all the revisions these GDP numbers are subjected to, like the rosey GDP numbers right before the election that have since been revised downward.

            This is an example of confusing the map with the territory. Voters don’t decide whether the economy is doing okay or not based on a GDP figure or any other economic statistic (the map). They base their sense of the economy on how it’s going for them and their family (the territory). Did they get a job, or lose a job? Did they get a raise? Are they feeling flush and confident enough to spend more, or do they feel like they need to tighten their belts? Is their IRA balance and the value of their house going up or down? Are things overall getting better, or worse? If they’re politically on the fence (deciding whether to vote for the incumbent, the challenger, or not vote at all), and their personal experience of the economy and its direction is positive, they’re more likely to favor the incumbent. If their personal experience of the economy is poor, they’re more likely to favor the challenger.

            In 2012 those voters’ average sense of the economy was good enough to give Obama a win. If the 2016 election was held today, that sense would be if anything more positive, which would favor Hillary Clinton (though not as strongly, since she is only from the incumbent party, and not the literal incumbent).

            I don’t think the economic statistics are skewed in order to win elections, and this is one reason: it wouldn’t work. The only way to fool people into believing the economy is doing well is to actually improve their personal economic fortunes.

          15. “Then post a link to what I actually wrote; that’ll put me in my place.”

            I do it constantly. It does grow tiresome thugh

          16. “I remember your writing that it will be “all over” for Obama in 2014 because of all the people killed by Obamacare. ”

            So because I was wrong this means somehow that you are right? Typical diversion.

            Give us more than sucky partisan polls.

          17. “Then post a link to what I actually wrote; …”

            I do that with every single post that I reply to.

            “…that’ll put me in my place.”

            You don’t need me for that…you put yourself there quite neatly.

        2. This is an example of confusing the map with the territory. Voters don’t decide whether the economy is doing okay or not based on a GDP figure or any other economic statistic (the map). They base their sense of the economy on how it’s going for them and their family (the territory)

          Yah, and we’ve been telling you for years that Americans don’t believe the economy is getting better, but you kept throwing your “facts” that proved it was getting better.

          So now that I’ve given you facts that the economy still sucks after seven years, you hide behind sentiment.

    4. Boring? You have a disgraced former secretary of state, who protects neither classified information nor state department staff and also ushered in the Russian overcharge running as the coronated one. Hillary has done something behind the scenes to prevent other people from running against her, pretty exciting. Almost as exciting as her flirtation with a prison cell.

      Then there is the socialist Bernie Sanders who thinks the government would have more money to fight poverty if we nationalized the deodorant industry and closed down all the companies but one and all the product lines but one. This is also very exciting and he even wants to round up all the immigrants and deport them.

      One candidate, O’Malley, is being squeezed out by the DNC before voters even get a chance to see him debate. Have we ever seen such intraparty intrigue, back stabbing, and corruption?

      Also, don’t forget about Jim Web who is also running but isn’t a socialist like the other candidates nor a woman so is doomed to never make it anywhere because he is too white and too male and thinks too many nice things about the country.

      Which brings us to the racist BLM movement of the Democrat party where black supremacists want to “invade white spaces” and make “white people suffer” and other racist nonsense in an effort to combat racism. These loyal party activists are rioting, assassinating cops, burning and looting black and minority owned businesses, and ambushing campaign events of their fellow Democrats.

      There are a lot of words to describe the Democrat primaries but boring isn’t one of them.

  2. However, the Dem bigwigs and string-pullers have received anonymous phone calls at three in the morning telling them that they either back Hillary, “or say hello to Vince Foster and Kathleen Willey’s cat.”

    1. I forgot to add “probably.” I was just joking. Because it is so unlikely the Clinton Gang would ever stoop to such a tactic.

      1. Or Kathleen Willey’s husband, who went out in the woods and “committed suicide” the same day Kathleen rebuffed Slick Willy.

  4. I wish Billary’s email scandal had come along later in the campaign season. Let’s say next February. Sanders is getting too much time to gain too much traction. People disparage his chances to win the Dem nomination and then the general. But there are too many Dem drones in big electoral votes states who’ll vote for the ageing commissar from Vermont for us to be too confident about beating him easily. A foolish anxiety, maybe, but Black Swan events do happen.

    1. Hey, d’ya here about the new e-mail hosting service?

      It’s called Yellow River Networks. I think their servers are somewhere in China (cue toilet-flush sound effect) . . .

  5. I actually think Dems know she’s a terrible candidate. I just think they have a strong belief that they can brazen just about anyone through the nomination. Once nominated, the press falls in line and ignores glaring deficiencies (as in 2008).

    Hillary’s problem is that Dems don’t like her much. That’s why she didn’t work out in 2008. I remember a time when Obama was getting big crowds and people were saying, “We can’t nominate him. He has no experience.” I think Democratic dislike of Hillary won out over reservations about Obama’s deficiencies.

    It was just fortunate for the Dems that Obama was a good campaigner, the press was utterly servile and the McCain decided not to make anything of his buffoonish inexperience (presumably in the name of civility).

    I expect something similar will happen this time. Eventually Hillary will be pushed aside for… whoever because the Dems didn’t want her in the first place. The press will be so relieved they will throw roses at his feet.

    The only question is whether the GOP nominee will treat a buffoonish choice as worthy of something other than contempt.

    1. Hillary’s problem is that Dems don’t like her much. That’s why she didn’t work out in 2008.

      I’ve never been a big fan, but I would caution against underestimating her appeal. I volunteered for the Obama campaign in New Hampshire in 2007-8, and after he surprised everyone who hadn’t been paying attention by winning Iowa we thought NH was in the bag, only to watch Clinton sweep to victory. She won many of the remaining primaries as well, and was only beaten by Obama’s superior organization in caucus states.

      According to Gallup Hillary Clinton has been American’s most admired woman for 13 years straight. She has decades of experience of continuing to fight through political adversity. It’s going to take a lot more than a murky email scandal to keep her from winning the nomination.

      1. Here you go again, twisting the facts. Here is the recent polling data on Hillary! Because the press can’t hide her corruption this time around, her numbers are dropping.

        The line of defense for you democrats is cracking, thanks to the alternative media. (Which means you’ll pass laws like net neutrality to stifle the opposition.)

        http://www.gallup.com/poll/184346/sanders-surges-clinton-sags-favorability.aspx

        I saw a bumper sticker this morning that read, “I’m ready for Hillary!” It was attached to the back of a thirty year old volvo and driven by a man who had to have been in his seventies.

      2. “It’s going to take a lot more than a murky email scandal to keep her from winning the nomination.”

        So you keep telling yourself…..

    2. It was just fortunate for the Dems that Obama was a good campaigner, the press was utterly servile and the McCain decided not to make anything of his buffoonish inexperience (presumably in the name of civility).

      More likely, because McCain is a “jobber.”

  6. She can’t even answer whether or not she wiped the server? Not even, “I did not wipe any server”, which is probably a truthful statement, since she, herself, didn’t actually wipe the server.

    She’s toast.

    1. (pounds lectern for emphasis) “I did not have wiping relations . . . with . . . that . . . company . . . Platte River Networks.”

    3. OK, here is the ringtone for sale.

      It starts with some throat clearing, a pause, and then the sound of “running water” for 15 seconds. This is followed by a flushing sound, some footsteps, more water running, the “sklork-slork” of the soap dispenser, more water running, the chunk-chunk-chunk of the paper towel feed, and then the door softly slamming on the way out.

      These are the sound of online data security . . .

  7. Senator Obama caught some breaks. He was clued in on the impending train wreck in the global financial system. Contrary to the widely held opinion that the only thing he knows how to do is talk about himself, he had a Hotel Sierra moment and kept his thoughts to himself to listen to a financial insider explain what was happening.

    Recovering his usual mode of thinking, his first concern was that the crash would happen early in his first term, Herbert Hoover style. His luck was that it started to happen before even getting elected; he had at least a clue as to what was going on whereas John “Economics is not my strong point” McCain did not. All of this is documented in Ron Suskind’s “Confidence Men” about President Obama’s Wall Street-connected economics advisors.

    So, Senator Obama knew certain things that Senator McCain did not, not because Mr. Obama was particularly wise or incisive, he knew those things from being venal — he was told those things when trying to get campaign money from finance-industry people. He certainly put it to good effect in appearing cool when the financial system started to go to heck.

    He did not seem to place this special knowledge to use when he took office. The “inside tip” I got from a retired med-school professor was that President Obama is going to set thing right — he has Paul Volker leading his economic team, the guy who applied a tough-love intervention that killed inflation paving the way for the Reagan boom. Suskind chronicals how that didn’t pan out.

    Our front yards are dotted with these “neighborhood mini-lending libraries.” I am thinking of placing the Suskind book in one to see some Liberal ‘s hair catch fire. Some unsuspecting right-minded person might actually read this book claiming President Obama’s knew his recovery plan needed to instill confidence in markets, so he put in charge Wall Street “confidence men.”

    1. “I am thinking of placing the Suskind book in one to see some Liberal ‘s hair catch fire.”

      The book will catch fire, although we shouldn’t really be calling it a book as it gives it a sense of legitimacy that would imply burning it is wrong.

  8. The GOP favored sons (Bush and Rubio) don’t have a prayer of beating Hillary. They might be able to beat Sanders. The only thing saving Hillary is Obama’s inability to decide (gee, where have we seen that before?) if having his legacy be a Republican elected in 2016 will hurt more than having Hillary elected. If he sics the DoJ on her before the election and she’s indicted, she’s toast. I humbly suggest to the Dear Leader that the best case would be for her to be indicted after winning, and suffer through 4-8 years of fighting against criminal prosecution, like Bill did over the Paula Jones civil suit.

    1. Hope you are not making the argument that the cause of small government is advanced by Ms. Clinton making a hash of things instead of having an imperfect alternative. That was the argument made 8 years ago . . .

  9. Hillary wore all orange at her recent press conference……

    Talk about tin ear…..

    Hillary looks good in orange…….really good.

  11. Jim touches on a truth. Hillary won’t be held back by scandal, that requires Democrats to have standards. She is wealthy beyond imagination so money problems wont force her out. That corruption is the source of her wealth, is a brag for Democrats.

    Would a prison cell keep Democrats from voting Hillary? Nope.

    It comes down to voters, who we have established will vote for her no matter what and who are not being given other Democrat options.

    Hillary will take Sanders as a running mate.

    1. I’d say there’s about zero chance of Clinton naming Sanders as her running mate. She’ll give him a spot to give a rousing speech at the convention, and that will be it. For VP she’ll want a team player who understands that it’s her team; Sanders doesn’t fit the bill.

      1. “For VP she’ll want a team player who understands that it’s her team”

        So, how have the Clintons prevented more people from joining the race? What kind of threats are they using?

        Picking up Sanders might be the only way Hillary can appeal to the socialist progressive block that has taken over the Democrat party.

    2. She is wealthy beyond imagination so money problems wont force her out.

      Pfffft. Compared to The Donald, she’s a pauper.

  12. Gee was there a Secret Service agent guarding the server that was stored in the bathroom of an apartment in Colorado (which Hillary first claimed did not exist), 24/7/365/for years?

    I’m sure there’s a record of that Secret Service protection.

    Right?

    I mean, it’s required by law. Felony if not so protected.

  13. From CNN:

    “Clinton maintains this edge (the decreasing edge over Trump] in the general election race despite a growing perception that by using a personal email account and server while serving as secretary of state she did something wrong. About 56% say so in the new poll, up from 51% in March. About 4-in-10 (39%) now say she did not do anything wrong by using personal email. Among Democrats, the share saying she did not do anything wrong has dipped from 71% in March to 63% now, and just 37% of independents say she did not do wrong by using the personal email system.

    And positive impressions of Clinton continue to fade. Among all adults, the new poll finds 44% hold a favorable view of her, 53% an unfavorable one, her most negative favorability rating since March 2001. A majority of women voters have a positive take on Clinton, 52% view her favorably, and her support among women appears to be the foundation for her general election advantages.”

    Note well:

    “Among Democrats, the share saying she did not do anything wrong has dipped from 71% in March to 63% now, and just 37% of independents say she did not do wrong by using the personal email system.”

    and also note:
    “Among all adults, the new poll finds 44% hold a favorable view of her, 53% an unfavorable one, her most negative favorability rating since March 2001. ”

    Oh yes, she’s a shoe in for the nomination………

    muwahahahahahahahahahaha!

    1. Even Clinton herself says she regrets using a personal server. The fact that more and more Democrats agree with her that she made a mistake hardly dooms her candidacy.

      2. Jim says:

        Even Clinton herself says she regrets using a personal server. The fact that more and more Democrats agree with her that she made a mistake hardly dooms her candidacy.

        I bet Gen. Petraeus regrets it too. Yet he was punished.

        If The Donald was serious, this is a perfect opportunity to sabotage the elections by putting Hillary in a new orange outfit at an inconvenient time before election day.

  14. Yes the Dems are beginning to see……

    From the UK Guardian:

    I’m a Hillary Clinton fan. But I hope she bows out with grace
    Mary Dejevsky

    “…….But I just hope that there are those, somewhere in her entourage, who are even now begging her not to do it, and to bow out while there is still time to do so with grace.

    Reality must be looked in the eye………
    It is a distinguished and remarkable career, but it is now time to call it quits, while the decision is still hers to make.

    She can cite personal reasons (concerns about her husband’s health, for instance), or the hope that she has left time for another woman – the Massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren, or the health secretary, Kathleen Sebelius – to run. But call it quits she should, unbeaten.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/17/hillary-clinton-white-house-too-much-baggage

    Well aside from the fact that Hillary isn’t unbeaten (2008), this is from a self avowed Hillary supporter.

    1. Here’s a good look at just how far Hillary Clinton is ahead in the Democratic primary. She is polling far better than she was at this point in 2007, and has more than twice the endorsements, virtually all the endorsements that have been made. “By pretty much every metric, Clinton is in a stronger position than she was at this point eight years ago.”

      1. If democrats are good at anything, it’s circling the wagons with their hierarchical, hive-mind, robotic-thought, machine way of doing politics.

        The left will hold their nose and vote for Hillary if they have to, for sure.

        That is the one strength of the democrat party.

        1. “We are the Democrats. Lower your vigilance and surrender your wallets. We will add your biological and economic distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.”

      2. I should also point out that democrats circle the wagons better than republicans is because they know that if they don’t shut up and put up with the candidate chosen by their superiors, they won’t get any free goodies.

      3. Jim said,

        She is polling far better than she was at this point in 2007,

        If she gets her new spiffy orange outfit, the polls won’t matter.

        1. Dude, now you have gone too far! Polls always matter to Democrats, because as even Jim noted, they’ll vote for felons. Indeed, the 2012 West Virginia Primary nearly when to Keith Judd, a felon incarcerated in Beaumont, TX. It was Judd 41% (72000 votes) to Obama’s 59% (107,000 votes).

          They’ll vote for Hillary, even if in jail. Although, I think Judd, if he announced a candidacy, would probably out poll actual voters over Hillary.

      4. “Then post a link to what I actually wrote; that’ll put me in my place….”

        How about supplying a poll that is worth more than toilet paper?

      5. “She is polling far better than she was at this point in 2007, and has more than twice the endorsements, virtually all the endorsements that have been made. ”

        You asked to be put in your place? Putting you in your place:

        This quote above is the usual tripe you throw up which illustrates either a total cluelessness or self-delusion on a massive scale. You have forever refused to do even the most rudimentary research before you start typing the keys.

        First point:

        At this point in 2007, how many candidates on the Dem side were there? What effect will that have on stats in general?

        Second Point:

        You love to quote Gallup polls so there should be no argument from you as to the high value of the following.

        From Gallup:

        Gallup Election Review: October 2007

        ” No other announced or potential Democratic candidate has come close to threatening Clinton’s front-runner status since the campaign began, including former Vice President Al Gore and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards.
        ……………………..
        Clinton has led the Democratic pack in every Gallup Poll conducted between November 2006 and October 2007. For most of this time, Clinton has led Obama by a double-digit margin.

        Clinton’s lead over Obama has expanded to nearly 30 points in Gallup’s latest poll, conducted Oct. 12-14: 50% vs. 21%. ”

        Led by 30 points Jim. Who got the nomination?

        “Eighty-two percent of Democrats and Democratic leaners have a favorable view of the former first lady, while only 16% have an unfavorable view of her. ”

        Jim – 82% of Democrats back in October of 2007 with 16% unfave. Remember those numbers now…I know you can do it.

        Ok now go look here for a recent Gallup:

        http://www.gallup.com/poll/184346/sanders-surges-clinton-sags-favorability.aspx

        and scroll down until you get to the table whose header is:

        “Favorable ratings of 2016 Democratic Presidential Candidates, Based on Democrats and Democratic Leaners”

        We’ll wait…… Got there? good. now read:

        74% favorable,
        18% unfavorable
        8% no opinion

        for a net favorability of 56%.

        So 82% around (~2 months later) this time in 2007; 74% now.

        You either lie or are cluelessly self-deluded. I bet on the latter.

        There’s more:

        “Clinton’s favorable rating has slipped slightly among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents since April, falling to 74% from 79%. This partly accounts for her overall decline in favorability among the public. The other factor is a drop among non-leaning independents, from 44% to 36%,….

        Bottom Line

        Clinton’s national image has taken a slight turn for the worse, which is also evident in her image among Democrats. ”

        5 point Turn for the Worse since April, Jim. …..evident in her image among Democrats, Jim.

        Now, Jim, old boy, please to prove to us that Hillary is polling higher now than this time 2007.

  16. Well let’s se how Hillary is doing this morning. Is she strong and ahead of the game as Jim keeps telling herself?

    Well her position has morphed yet again (and will continue to do so):
    WSJ:

    “Hillary Clinton Campaign Says Classified Emails Were on Server
    Democrat’s campaign says material was made secret retroactively”

    Oh so NOW there WERE classified docs on the server. Before she said there weren’t…now she says there were…ok….

    “LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WHAS 11) — Kentucky’s only Democratic representative in Congress is expressing concern about Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s e-mail controversy, calling it “very confusing,” and potentially a disqualifying scandal for her candidacy.”

    Hmmm no weakening of her position here *snicker*

    NYTimes:

    “Today in Politics: Email Controversy Begins to Weigh on Hillary Clinton’s Allies”

    ooookay……

    Freebeacon:

    “Additionally, the two Clinton aides, Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills, disregarded a federal judge’s order this month requiring both to make sworn statements to the court that all government documents in their possession will be returned to federal officials, said Chris Farrell, director of investigations for Judicial Watch, the law group.”

    Yeah that’ll work…..NEXT!

    The Hill:

    “State Department BlackBerry devices issued to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s aides Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin have likely been destroyed or sold off, the department said in a court filing on Wednesday.

    Mills and Abedin “were each issued BlackBerry devices,” department Executive Secretary Joseph Macmanus wrote in the filing.

    The department, however, “has not located any such device,” and believes that they would have been destroyed or removed from the department’s control.

    “Because the devices issues to Ms. Mills and Ms. Abedin would have been outdated models, in accordance with standard operating procedures those devices would have been destroyed or excessed,” Macmanus added.”

    Ahhhh yes the old IRS recycled tapes ploy…..

    WSJ:

    “The group created to lure Vice President Joe Biden into a 2016 presidential campaign just got a boost in the nation’s largest battleground state. Steve Schale, a longtime Democratic strategist in Florida who helped President Barack Obama twice win the state, has joined the Draft Biden 2016 super PAC as an informal adviser. ”

    Not sure much will come of this but again, it shows the elites are beginning to understand they may need/want alternatives……

  17. From CBS:

    “CBS correspondent Jan Crawford threw cold water Thursday on Hillary Clinton’s excuse that classified emails that passed through her server weren’t marked that way at the time, reporting for CBS This Morning that intelligence officials say that explanation doesn’t fly.

    “Despite the campaign’s insistence that the emails weren’t marked classified at the time, intelligence sources say that doesn’t matter,” she said. “Documents, emails, handwritten notes. Those can contain classified information and not necessarily be formally stamped classified.”

    Crawford’s report delved into the server’s emails known so far to be classified, which included details on Libyan troop movements and the Benghazi terrorist attack.”

    ooops!

    Chris Cillizza (certainly no Right winger):

    “5 mistakes Hillary Clinton made in her latest e-mail press conference”
    1. She sounds like a lawyer.
    2. She casts the whole thing as normal and everyday.
    3. She’s dismissive.
    4. She’s sarcastic.
    5. She’s wrong. As Clinton is leaving the news conference, a reporter asks whether she is worried that the e-mail issue will continue to linger. Clinton responds: “Nobody talks to me about it other than you guys.” While I can’t fact-check what people talk to Clinton about every second of every day, there is new polling data that suggest that her handling of her e-mail server is of concern to a significant number of voters. Fifty-six percent of those polled in a new CNN/ORC survey said that Clinton did something wrong by using a private e-mail server during her time as secretary of state. Slightly more than six in 10 Democrats (63 percent) believe Clinton did nothing wrong — that’s down from 71 percent in March — while slightly more than one in three independents (37 percent) say the same. So this isn’t just a media creation.

    Quinnipiac:

    Qunnipiac: Clinton Trails Top GOP in Florida, Pennsylvania; Up in Ohio

    Yes Dems will vote for a scoundrel…..but not a loser.

    Hillary isn’t out yet but there are many cracks int he dike and they are multiplying and she’s running out of fingers.

  18. Hillary is not out…after all the name of the topic is:

    “Dems Start to Face Reality.”

    They *are* starting…no matter what Jim might delude himself into believing. The scandal is building and continues to build. Bigger and faster than any of Obama’s myriad scandals even though she’s trying the exact same tricks (Huma’s blackberry was destroyed).

    I remain of the opinion that the scandal is fed by Obama; the 18 holes played on the Vineyard with Bubba notwithstanding. The Clintons won’t be the first people Obama lied to.

    The Lioness of Tuzla has a long and rather sordid history of lies and prevarications and dissembling. I imagine she thinks she will get the same sort of pass that Obama has gotten for the same things for the last ~7 years. I believe it’s amply proven now that she’s wrong.

    You add to that, the fact that she is a horrible speaker and candidate and you have a real concern if you’re a democrat. That is, a clear-eyed Democrat who sees things as they are and not as they delude themselves into thinking. I think she would be easy to beat if the GOP puts up a credible candidate – which would not be Trump, or Carson.

    Monica Crowley thinks the ticket will end up being Biden and Liawatha. I don’t know. I never saw Biden as the caretaker of Obama’s Socialist Society. I see him as an idiot. Warren is socialist to her very core. But I don’t know how much influence she would have as VP to Biden.

    Anyway that’s a trifle premature: Hillary is still the Democrat’s choice.

    But for how long?

  19. And for today we have:

    Clinton facing fresh worries in Congress over emails

    By KEN THOMAS and JULIE BYKOWICZ
    Associated Press

    And as an added tasty bonus, a Dem himself (Dan Pfeiffer, a former Obama White House adviser) states outright that Democrats will vote for a scoundrel, a narcissist, a congenital liar and crook….PROVIDED they vote correctly on the issues:

    “”The question shouldn’t be, do you trust Hillary Clinton,” Pfeiffer said. “It needs to be, do you trust Hillary Clinton more than Marco Rubio or Donald Trump on the economy, immigration” and more.”

    It’s the issues, dems think…not character.

    From Reuters:

    “Exclusive: Dozens of Clinton emails were classified from the start, U.S. rules suggest
    NEW YORK | By Jonathan Allen ”
    “The new stamps indicate that some of Clinton’s emails from her time as the nation’s most senior diplomat are filled with a type of information the U.S. government and the department’s own regulations automatically deems classified from the get-go — regardless of whether it is already marked that way or not. “

  20. “Decision nearing, Biden games
    out mechanics of a 2016 run
    Associated Press, by Josh Lederman ”

    Now who would even be considering such a thing if Clinton was running strong?

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