I’m sure that it’s a complete coincidence that the guy who beheaded a woman in Oklahoma had converted to Islam and tried to get his co-workers to convert before he was fired.
So much for the media to hate in that Oklahoma story. Muslim beheads a woman, then is shot by a CCW holder. Wrecks two narratives in one.
— Rand Simberg (@Rand_Simberg) September 26, 2014
Though, actually, it’s unclear that he’s CCW, because he’s reportedly an off-duty sheriff or deputy, so it may have been his LEO weapon. Either way, a sudden-Jihad syndrome being ended by a legal gun owner crosses the media streams.
[Afternoon update]
Vaughn foods Co-worker who witnessed murder tells #news9 Murder suspect Alton Nolen was shouting Islamic phrases. FBI investigating
— Robin Marsh KWTV-9 (@robinmarsh9) September 26, 2014
But remember, it has nothing to do with Islam.
[Update a few minutes later]
This is purported to be the guy’s Facebook page. Nope, no Islam here at all.
The Muslim decapitator survived and was taken to the hospital, which means he’ll disappear down the memory hole until he’s eventually bundled with a bunch of captured jihadist leaders and shipped to Yemen in return for some other terrorist-supporting American dipshit who gets tired of fighting for ISIS.
Beheadings appear to be a cultural preference. This happened 5 years ago in Upstate New York. He was found guilty of 2nd degree murder.
Upstate Man Charged With Beheading His Estranged Wife
Muslims, even as children, are encouraged to witness the slaughter of sheep and goats where a sharp, non-serrated knife cuts the jugular and trachea. (see dhabihah). There are some thoughts that children who get used to killing animals with a knife can become equally nonchalant about similarly slaughtering people, and that the Mongol hordes led by Genghis Khan were an example of exactly that.
It is well-documented that, prior to the development of modern food production techniques, the children of chicken ranchers were more likely to grow up to become axe murderers. And not just children: farm hands on chicken ranches were more likely to become axe murderers as well.
Oh, and I forgot the best part: Loggers, and the children of loggers, were no more likely to become axe murderers than the general population, which suggests that killing animals, not trees, is the cause.
And once we automated poultry processing, the number of axe murderers plummeted to statistical insignificance, instead of being so common that it became a much-used phrase and permanent part of our lexicon.
You, like all liberals, deny there’s any connection between our environment and upbringing and adult behavior.
Oh wait… I have that backwards.
This just in: Political correctness cancels out Marxist/Leninist teachings and a century of academic socialist nonsense. 🙂
I don’t think so. Otherwise our country would be awash in hunters and anglers turned mass murderers. All those kids on the Alaskan reality shows would be crazy killers. They may be a cultural preference for beheading but if so, it comes from what the culture teaches and not harvesting food.
“awash in hunters and anglers turned mass murderers.”
Nope,the idea here is that the data, if you studied it, might show that hunters are more likely than the someone in the general population to become a certain kind of murderer.
People who grew up on old fashioned poultry farm were more likely to become axe murderers, but they weren’t more likely to murder someone in the first place.
In the very unlikely case that someone who grew up on a poultry farm did choose to murder someone, they were more likely to use an axe.
We *could* look at the data to see whether hunters are statistically more likely to become murderers, but we could also look at the data to see if there is preference for a certain kind of murder technique.
Similarly, we could look at the data regarding Muslims and beheadings. It wouldn’t surprise me if Muslims tended to favor beheadings more than the general population, but it also wouldn’t surprise me if Muslims are no more likely to murder someone than the general population — an analogous situation to chicken farmers and axe murderers.
I don’t know if I necessarily disagree but I’m not totally on board either.
Fail.
Wasn’t this an honor killing that they tried to pin on Islamophobic right wingers?
It says he’s a “reserve deputy” — akin to a volunteer firefighter.
LOL! Brilliant twitter comment!
I’m sure that it’s a complete coincidence that the guy who beheaded a woman in Oklahoma
The same woman who, according to Sgt. Jeremy Lewis “later died from her injuries.”
The only reason the perpetrators religion was mentioned, and a knife attack by a disgruntled former employee is being described as a beheading, is that it fits the islamophobic narrative and so makes a much better story.
“it fits the islamophobic narrative”
We don’t know all the details so it is early to come to a conclusion about the man’s motivations. Was he motivated by his religious beliefs? Hard to say without more information but we know he was a religious person and beheading is something common in that religion. Linking the two isn’t Islamophobia.
Islamophobia would be if he wasn’t religious and cut the lady’s head off but was accused of being Muslim.
Speaking of narrative though, John Kavanagh references a story where religious and cultural reasons for the killing were hid from the public because they didn’t fit the narrative. People who noticed it looked like an honor killing were called Islamophobes and racists. Not only that but the defenders of honor killings blamed the actual murder on some nameless white right wing scapegoat. It was called a hate crime by an Islamophobe rather than deal with the real story and in the process slurred a large number of people as being racist murderers.
Too often there are calls of Islamophobia that are used to excuse bad behavior and to demonize people who are rightly offended by honor killings and beheadings.
In another article Lewis does say that she was “beheaded”.
So I’m going with the theory that violent misfits and malcontents in the West will often look for groups that appear to them to show the same animosity towards the society that they (the violent misfits and malcontents) hate, and act in ways that they think will get them identified with those groups.
Traditionally those groups would be homegrown street gangs, but these days, because of the high profile Islamists have achieved and the fear they’ve generated in the West, many of these violent misfits and malcontents find them more attractive as a group to be identified with, it makes them more scary and their acts more infamous to those they hate and attack.
There’s no doubt that sociopathic groups attract sociopaths, as we are seeing in the middle east today.
But saying “Islamophobia” as an excuse to ignore valid Islamic threats is like claiming we have peace in our lifetime.
If Nolen was acting out a religious fantasy it was an “Islamist” fantasy, not a fantasy reflective of Islam, similarly when Christians blow up abortion clinics or cause mayhem in the name of Christianity, their actions shouldn’t be considered a representation of Christianity.
Whether Islam or “Islamist,” it’s a “fantasy” shared by millions of people.
” but these days, because of the high profile Islamists have achieved and the fear they’ve generated in the West, many of these violent misfits and malcontents find them more attractive as a group to be identified with, it makes them more scary and their acts more infamous to those they hate and attack.”
Many?
How many?
Also, how do you know that some/many/most ISIl fighters are not precisely the same as this guy in OK? Societal mistfits who found a place where they could fit in?
Are you assuming that the “high profile Islamists” in the ME are driven only by religious fervor?
A lot of people do ignorantly believe that.
It’s amazing how many abortion clinics blow up every day. From 1973 to the present, there must be at least hundreds if not thousands that have been destroyed. I even think there is a book that promotes the destruction of abortion clinics. It is considered holy writ to yahoos from the bible belt.
Then why didn’t he become a Tea Partier?
That, and his radical Islamic Facebook page and attempts to convert his coworkers. Those attempts failed, which means they rejected Allah.
He has a long history of violent crime, maybe that, you know, might have more relevance than his recent conversion.
Find out if he has a long history of beheading people, and get back to me.
They say patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Apparently, converting to Islam is the last way for a dirtbag with 5 arrests who was once the subject of a manhunt to go from local dirtbag to national prominence.
No, the last way is, having done that, for him to behead someone while shouting Islamic phrases.
“They say patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.”
You know who “they” are?
“They” are ones who:
1) Have no argument – none whatsoever.
2) Do not understand Patriotism.
3) Use it anyway:
“I’m sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.”
Hillary Clinton
“We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people,” Biden said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”
Noting that wealthier Americans would indeed pay more, Biden said: “It’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”
Crazy Joe Biden
An article “Is Obama American Enough” by columnist Ruben Navarette, Jr. of the San Diego Union Tribune addresses the issue of patriotism:
“If you really want to understand patriotism, don’t talk to those of us who were born here through no effort of our own.
“Talk to someone who came here from Iran or Eastern Europe, or Cuba and who doesn’t have the luxury of taking freedom for granted.
“Talk to somefrom from Vietnam or Indian or Mexico (yes, Mexicans) who see only opportuntities where many of us see obstacles,” Navarrette wrote in his revealing column.
In other words, to understand American patriotism on the Fourth of July, you might talk to those who many would improperly call “illegal immigrants.”
Leo Laurence
“He has a long history of violent crime, maybe that, you know, might have more relevance than his recent conversion.”
His facebook page suggests otherwise.
“After ‘he was terminated, he drove to the front of the business, running into a vehicle, exited his vehicle, entered the business, where he encountered the first victim, Colleen Hufford, 54, and began assaulting her with a knife. He did kill Colleen and he did sever her head.'”
Notice how a lot of these crazies go after old women? Like that guy in England who cut the head off an old lady in her garden.
Cowards.
Good thing it wasn’t a Gun-Free Zone or Mr. Mohammed Hackey-Stabby Bastard would have undoubtedly killed more.
Mark Steyn just yesterday wrote on this topic, noting that ‘Islam is “the ultimate global gang”. In Oklahoma, Mr Nolen had a rap sheet as long as his knife. In London, Mr Salvatore was a not dissimilar type. All that’s happened in the years since I first made that observation is that ISIS has supplanted al-Qaeda as the brand leader of the sharp end of Islam, and made the gang aesthetic even more explicit. As for Mo3’s comrades, if you’re a Canuck or Aussie or Frenchman or American having fun chopping heads off in Syria and Iraq, how much more fun it would be to go “home” and chop heads off in Toronto or Sydney, Toulouse or Minneapolis. Western leaders may insist that that’s nothing to do with Islam, but, as the “reversions” of Messrs Nolen and Salvadore suggest, not all potential Muslims are willing to defer to Obama and Cameron’s doubtless extensive Islamic scholarship.’
“Western leaders may insist that that’s nothing to do with Islam, but, as the “reversions” of Messrs Nolen and Salvadore suggest, not all potential Muslims are willing to defer to Obama and Cameron’s doubtless extensive Islamic scholarship.’”
Nor are they willint to say, “Oh ok.” put down their knifes and go to work rasing families and working hard just because what they are doing does not fit Obama’s and Kerry’s notion of what does and does not “fit” in the 21st century.
Of all the stupid moronic things Obama an dkerry have said – and they are legion – that has to be THE most clueless.