22 thoughts on “South California”

    1. This is actually a way to increase power in the west, particularly California.

      The new California cluster would have 12 senators, right now they have 2.
      Which would give the california region as much power the mountain states.

      Consider Montana, North, South Dakota, Idaho, Utah. Wyoming.

      Those 6 states have 12 senators and 11 house members and barely the
      population of san diego metro plex.

      Orange County is still going to be far more liberal and progressive then Idaho.

      It’s a comment that Rand prefers life in California to life in Idaho. If he really
      disliked California, he’d be in Utah.

      Now splitting up California would mean building 5 new statehouses, power would transfer
      from Sacramento into 6 relatively weaker governors and legislatures.

      However you slice it, it would probably add 6 more liberal senators to the senate.
      California would split at best 8-4 blue/red.

      1. Why is it with the Progressive Left that everything comes down to the naked exercise of power, and they only want to do things that increase their own? “My party, right or wrong” and “what’s good for the Democrats is good for the country” are their operating slogans.

        Many of us conservative/libertarian types want to do what’s best for the country, and having huge, unresponsive, single party states like California, Illinois, New York, and yes, even Texas, is not good for the country.

        Of course if California split up, that would put pressure on other oversized states to do the same. If Texas used its option, you might end up 8 and 2 and it all balances out. And how about splitting Florida or New York or Illiniois?

        1. Hey

          I’m not proposing this, Rand is hyping this.

          I’m just pointing out the probable results.

        2. By area, California is almost entirely red. States are split by area, so although San Francisco and LA would retain most of their power in the House, their Senate representation would swing far to the right.

      2. Let’s see… instead of 4% of the senate pretty much guaranteed to the left; CA becomes 20% of the senate but probably breaking evenly 10% to both right and left. While CA becomes more powerful the left doesn’t.

  2. If they split California into six states, they’d have 12 US senators instead of just two. While a few of those new senators might be Republicans, you can safely bet that most of them wouldn’t be. This would make the area even more powerful in Congress.

      1. The California GOP is pretty psychotic.

        Given that they aren’t competitive statewide, no doubt they think
        a secession will gain them some political power.

          1. And since it’s coming from a guy who wears a dog-collar that says, “My dog, Barack Obama,” I would guess “psychotic” means “not servile enough to the Hive.”

          2. California Republicans are psychotic. Possibly as psychotic as California Democrats are corrupt. These things aren’t mutually exclusive.

            I say this as someone who lived in SF and Oakland for a decade. I am no prog when I say this either, I am from Texas and now live in Idaho where I am actually still MORE right wing than almost all of my neighbors.

            I was involved in GOP politics in Cali, and I have rarely met a more frothing and unhinged bunch. It made the Harris County GOP look like a bunch of pinkos. There is nothing like a GOP meeting where the only people there who ever intend to even think about winning an election are the Ron Paul people.

        3. Most of the CA GOP’s extremism is a predictable product of being the minority party in a heavily gerrymandered state. Under the proposed scheme it seems likely to me the primaries for both parties would work out quite differently.

    1. Not sure how to answer that question. It was a helium leak in the first stage. How they know that, or what was the cause, only they know, if anyone.

      1. Probably vehicle telemetry. Propellant levels holding steady, Pressure declining.
        Vents and Fill valves closed. If pre launch pressurization doesn’t hold, then it’s
        likely a leak or defective instrumentation.

  4. BTW, at this late date California can’t be split into separate states because big government has gone too far, and the costs to other states of adding more stars to their flags would be a burden that California, already strapped to make pension payments, couldn’t possibly meet.

    None of the other states have had to change their flags since Alaska and Hawaii were added, and to figure out how to add new stars would require tracking down the people who managed the transition from 48 to 50 stars, pulling them out of retirement, and putting them back on the payroll under some kind of emergency state funding. Then every level of government built since the 1950’s would have to weigh in, studies would have to be funded, design committees would have to be staffed, and the costs would amount to billions per state, and the process would take several decades to complete.

    So the other states would bill what is now the current government of the failed state of California, which would of course pass these bills on to its daughter states, most of whom couldn’t even cover the pensions that old California couldn’t cover.

    So the other states will decide that we should keep one California state (after having spent all the money on the unimplemented but approved changes, of course), perhaps by merging the proposed state of Southern California with some of the proposed mountain and central valley states (where the conservatives are), and selling the rest of California to China, a country that’s better able to deal with protesters, rabble rousers, useless eaters, and Marxist schismatics and deviants who need to be put up against a wall and shot, while the rest of the Chinafornian populace is taught true socialist discipline and obedience.

    The other states would of course go along with that, as long as China can guarantee that they’ll at least meet some benchmarks and timetables about the populations percentages and demographics of people being put up against a wall and shot, or at least subjected to a couple years of daily berating and the occasional beating until they develop a lick of common sense and a vague concept of where money comes from.

    2. Actually one could make a better case for selling Alaska to China. They need resources and the Chinese Army being posted along the Bering Strait would really send a message to Mr. Putin. In order to keep the flags at 50 stars Puerto Rico could be forced to become a state to balance the books 🙂

      Seriously, the idea of splitting California has been around for decades, but no rational person takes it seriously.

      1. “Seriously, the idea of splitting California has been around for decades, but no rational person takes it seriously.”

        That would explain why Rand is hyping it.

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