There were more than eight, though.
[Update a few minutes later]
Why is the ObamaCare roll out failing? Because Obama and his lackeys hate government.
Isn’t it obvious?
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There were more than eight, though.
[Update a few minutes later]
Why is the ObamaCare roll out failing? Because Obama and his lackeys hate government.
Isn’t it obvious?
Comments are closed.
Out of the 8 “falsehoods” I count one nit-pick (#5) and one overgeneralization (#8). The rest are bogus:
York counted at least three other people there who had not yet “benefited” from ObamaCare
Good grief. He didn’t say he was only joined by people who’d benefited.
Chances are slim and none that Obama has any idea how many people have enrolled and have saved money
Oregon alone has reported tens of thousands.
these are people who will have to buy insurance, many of them no doubt on the ObamaCare exchanges’ websites
They don’t have to use the exchange (except, I believe, in Vermont); it’s just a new option.
ObamaCare exchanges are reducing competition
They are creating competition for consumers who could not buy individual coverage before.
According to a Bloomberg article, “Almost 500,000 Americans have submitted applications for health insurance” through the exchanges. Almost means “less than”, not “more than.”
Sheesh. On the 19th the administration said 476,000 applications had been submitted in the previous 18 days (that’s 26,000/day). On the 21st Obama said more than half a million. Do the math.
The prices are lower than we expected
That’s true, and the author admits it’s true!
Lower than expected but still an increase, according to CBO. Some people call these tactics sandbagging.
Increase compared to what? When the CBO estimates came out the right criticized them as too optimistic. Now that reality has proved even better than the estimates, you’re going to complain of sandbagging?
Try reading this.
Using CBO data, the table shows that for a single adult aged 27, insurance rates decreased in on 5 states. In 4 other states, the rates increased by a small amount (10% or less). In 11 states, the rates increased by 100% or more. The increases weren’t as steep for a single person aged 50 or a family of 4 but they were still significant in most cases.
There’s no indication that this analysis (which is from Heritage, and uses data from HHS, not CBO) considers subsidies, or that it is comparing comparable insurance policies. And it completely ignores the fact that the “before” policies weren’t available to all comers.
The exchange premiums have come in so much lower than the CBO forecast that Obamacare may reduce the deficit by an additional $190B over 10 years, due to lower-than-expected subsidy spending.
“Increase compared to what?”
To prices under the old system. The CBO predicted that rates would be higher and then later issued a report saying they would be lower than the initial prediction but still higher. Then people like you say that the CBO reported that rates would be lower. A total misrepresentation.
“Now that reality has proved even better than the estimates,”
Reality did what now? All the claims from Democrats about what Obamacare was supposed to do and would do have been wrong, some would say flat out lies or grandstanding as you might say. Tens of millions of people are losing their jobs, having their hours cut, or losing their insurance due to Obamacare. An extraordinary impact on every single person in the country just to “help” about 5% of the population.
Lower unemployment and a vibrant economy would have done a better job helping people afford not only insurance but actual healthcare.
To prices under the old system
It’s hard to make that comparison, because the old policies didn’t offer the same benefits, and even before Obamacare premiums were going up every year.
The CBO predicted that rates would be higher and then later issued a report saying they would be lower than the initial prediction but still higher. Then people like you say that the CBO reported that rates would be lower. A total misrepresentation.
Your summary is a misrepresentation. The CBO forecast premiums, which were criticized by the right as being too optimistic. Then the insurers actually set their premiums, and they were lower than the CBO forecast. Then people like me said: look, good news, premiums are even lower than the CBO thought they’d be.
Tens of millions of people are losing their jobs, having their hours cut, or losing their insurance due to Obamacare.
Do you have evidence for any of this? We’re adding full-time jobs, and losing part-time jobs.
An extraordinary impact on every single person in the country just to “help” about 5% of the population.
What “extraordinary impact”? It hardly impacts people who get insurance at work, or from Medicare or Medicaid, or the DOD or VA — i.e. most people — at all.
“Your summary is a misrepresentation. The CBO forecast premiums, which were criticized by the right as being too optimistic. Then the insurers actually set their premiums, and they were lower than the CBO forecast. ”
We were talking about CBO reports and one CBO report said premiums were predicted to be at one level. They issued another report saying they were predicted to be lower than the initial level. Which people like you then said premiums will be lower but they wont be lower according to the CBO. Stop trying to move the goal posts.
Also, many people are seeing an increase in premiums despite your personal anecdotal evidence.
The Obamacare website has been wrong with its premium estimates. It used only two ages as anchors and told people in their 70’s their insurance would cost as much as a person in their 40’s.
“Then people like me said: look, good news, premiums are even lower than the CBO thought they’d be.”
But still higher.
“Do you have evidence for any of this? We’re adding full-time jobs, and losing part-time jobs.”
Jim, we talked about this a few weeks ago. Go back and read the linked articles about part time workers and our conversation. I enjoy arguing with you but you can never remember what you say from one day to another.
“What “extraordinary impact”?”
A couple of things. Every single American is impacted and will continue to be impacted. When a policy has direct effect in the lives of every single citizen for the rest of their lives and for generations to come, that is an extraordinary impact.
And millions of people are losing their insurance. Nearly every person with a private plan is being forced onto a new one. I don’t know how you can say that the millions of people losing their insurance isn’t extraordinary impact.
Guess it was a good thing that, in contravention of the law, Obama unilaterally waived the business mandate or businesses and people with insurance provided through their work would be going through what the rest of us are right now.
Oregon alone has reported tens of thousands.
You mean they’re magically getting through when most others aren’t or is this another one of your ‘bait and switch’ which you are becoming famous for.
They are creating competition…
Yes, by killing it. Love your logic. /sarc
26,000/day
Suckers!
“Oregon alone has reported tens of thousands.”
tens of thousands of what exactly? You’ve been caught out dissembling and making statements that are outright false with regard to reports, or saying things in such a way so that when pressed, you claim you didn’t mean what your statement so clearly implies.
And btw provide proof of what you say – because Obama is a known liar and Sebelius said she didn’t know. If this was the case in Oregon they would be screaming it from the roofs.
And yeah as Ken says below…why does the web site work so fabulously in Oregon and no where else?
tens of thousands of what exactly?
They enrolled 56,000 people in ACA-expanded Medicaid (Google “Oregon 56,000” for details). They figured out a streamlined process that’s worked very well. They had income information from people who’d applied for food stamps, so they contacted everyone with income between 100% and 138% of the poverty line and asked them to call in if they wanted to apply for Medicaid. That cut the number of uninsured people in Oregon by 10% in just two weeks. Let’s hear it for the ingenuity of government bureaucrats!
Other states (KY, NY, CA) have reported thousands of enrollees as well.
why does the web site work so fabulously in Oregon and no where else?
The federal exchange website, which serves 36 states, has had lots of problems, but there are over a dozen other states with independent systems. Some of those are working better than the federal one, some worse (I believe some haven’t opened yet). And then you have things like the Oregon Medicaid initiative, which doesn’t involve a website at all, but is nonetheless part of the overall Obamacare effort to enroll the uninsured.
“That cut the number of uninsured people in Oregon by 10% in just two weeks. Let’s hear it for the ingenuity of government bureaucrats!”
Jim, 100% of people will have health insurance or they will pay 1% of their gross income. Mandating everyone buy a product and punitively taxing those who don’t will get everyone to have insurance but it wont solve the problems Obamacare was sold as solving. But as time goes on, defenders of Obama will continue revising what their intentions were in passing the bill.
The President neglected to disclose that on the night of September 30, a drone aircraft was providing a live video feed of the server farm to the White House Situation Room. There were also two C-141’s with engines turning with Special Sys-Admin personnel on board poised at Andrews AFB.
Someone gave the order to “stand down.” I think there needs to be an investigation.
“If we do things by the book according to Mr. Saavik, hours become days. We shall have the Enterprise underway in 2 days and the warp drive restored in another 3 days.”
If weeks become months, this means that 2.14 million people (Spock always gave decimals) are enrolled after three months. Is this really enough to make this thing work?
lol
“If you like your insurance policy, you will be able to keep it.”
Yeah only if you are rich. From the article:
“Millions of them are having their policies cancelled because those policies don’t meet ObamaCare standards. Thirteen thousand people in the individual market in Pennsylvania have received a letter cancelling their insurance as have 800,000 in New Jersey, 300,000 in Florida and 160,000 in California. Thousands have also received such letters in Alabama, North Carolina and other states, but exact numbers aren’t available. In short, these are people who will have to buy insurance, many of them no doubt on the ObamaCare exchanges’ websites.”
Obamacare is and was always simply a means to get to single payer.
Falsehood #5: “We know that nearly one-third of the people applying in Connecticut and Maryland, for example, are under 35 years old.”
Regarding Maryland, that is incorrect. According to the Baltimore Sun, “those under 35 [make] up a third of those exploring [Maryland Health Connection’s] website.” “Exploring” means they have “created profiles on the marketplace’s website…Officials did not say how those demographics compare to those of people who have applied for or enrolled in coverage.”
Clear to see where Jim got his training…….
In the Nockian sense of the term, “Il Dufe” may indeed hate government:
“There are two political institutions, Nock held: government and the state. Government is an agency of society limited to negative interventions aimed at protecting individuals against force and fraud; governments are established to secure persons in their rights and to punish any trespass on them.
The state, on the other hand, intervenes positively in society; it dragoons people into the chase after various national goals, wars on poverty, provides welfare, pays out subsidies, offers cradle-to-grave security, and so on.”
(From here:
http://redstateeclectic.typepad.com/redstate_commentary/2009/11/thinking-the-stateless-society-is-a-challenging-exercise-to-which-eric-parks-has-invited-us-several-timesi-feel-liberty.html )
Jim, I dare you to read this.