25 thoughts on “The Case Against George Zimmerman”

  1. It turns out that Arizona watermelon tea and skittles aren’t quite as innocent as the media claimed. They’re mixed with Robitusun to make a drug called Lean that is popular among black Southern rappers, and from Treyvon’s Facebook pages, he used or made it. Its effects are compared to PCP, and I’m not sure labs test for it yet, since the ingredient is just a very high concentration of what’s found in cough syrup.

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  3. What I find interesting is how the gun lobby is not upset about this Florida case in which a women firing a warning shot to protect herself from her ex-husband is getting 20 years in jail.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/19/marissa-alexander-gets-20_n_1530035.html

    [[[Marissa Alexander had never been arrested before she fired a bullet at a wall one day in 2010 to scare off her husband when she felt he was threatening her. Nobody got hurt, but this month a northeast Florida judge was bound by state law to sentence her to 20 years in prison.]]]

    It makes you wonder if the stand you ground law is worth the paper its written on if its not applied evenly.

    1. Didn’t you bring this case up before? She left the building, went out to her car, got a gun, came back inside, and fired a warning shot.

        1. Sorry, I had seen some earlier reference to the case, I thought in this blog. I should have tried to find it.

      2. Dever,

        Actually she did NOT leave the building.

        http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-05-11/story/jacksonville-woman-sentenced-20-years-prison-stand-your-ground

        [[[Cobbin has argued that Alexander was trapped, however, because the garage door wouldn’t open. He said it was Gray who engaged her, threatening her, when she came back into the house.]]]

        And BTW, her children were still in the house. Are you saying this mother should have abandoned her children to angry ex-husband instead of protecting them? Especially if she felt they were in danger? Would you expect any mother to do that?

        Having worked for years in law enforcement while I when to school I learned there are occasions when the word of the law comes into conflict with the spirit of the law. In this case this judge and prosecutor don’t seem to recognize the difference which is why judges and prosecutors exist. If it was just a case of following the word of the law both could be replaced by computers.

        1. That’s more information than the Huff-Po piece had. It says:

          On Aug. 1, 2010, Alexander was working for a payroll software company. She was estranged from her husband, Rico Gray, and had a restraining order against him, even though they’d had a baby together just nine days before. Thinking he was gone, she went to their former home to retrieve the rest of her clothes, family members said.

          An argument ensued, and Alexander said she feared for her life when she went out to her vehicle and retrieved the gun she legally owned. She came back inside and ended up firing a shot into the wall, which ricocheted into the ceiling.

          So, she parked her car inside the garage of a house she no longer lived in, in a house occupied by a man she had a restraining order against and his two sons? The Huff-Po article didn’t say anything about the sons being hers. Actually, the article you reference indicates that they weren’t.

          The articles come down pretty harshly against minimum sentence laws. I expect we agree that, along with zero tolerance policies, these are ridiculous.

          1. Daver,

            Yes we do agree.

            As for why the garage, probably because it was easier to load and habit since she did live there before the breakup. But she was foolish in going alone. She should have brought a couple of guys along, preferably big ones, to “help” with the loading. But than events like this are always a result of a serious of mistakes that just keep adding up.

    2. That’s the gun owner’s lobby, filth boy. The NRA and similar organizations do not advocate for an industry. They advocate for the consumers of a product.

      1. Ken,

        Yes, but I would expect they gun owner lobby would be very upset about this case, especially as the NRA makes a point of both highlighting stories where guns are used in self defense and the need for ALL women to own guns to protect themselves. In this case a women did just that, and by doing so protected herself and her boys from the potential of being harmed by her ex-husband. Yet she goes to jail. There is just something wrong when a women using a gun to protect herself and her children goes to jail for it. What is the point of owning a gun if you are not allowed to use it in self defense?

        1. The woman isn’t a particularly good spokesman for gun ownership. Firing a warning shot into the wall which ricochets off and hits the ceiling doesn’t seem all that responsible (does anyone advocate warning shots anymore?). Four months after this incident she was charged with assaulting the guy. I think if I were the NRA I’d keep silent about this case.

          1. Daver,

            Yes, it sounds like she needed some firearms training. But since most folks fire warning shots upward a ricochet into the ceiling was more likely then anything else.

        2. the NRA makes a point of… the need for ALL women to own guns

          All women, Tom? Really? Has the NRA lobbied for allowing convicted felons (for example) to own guns? Do you have any evidence of that? Or are you just making stuff up again?

          Anyone who understands guns knows that warning shots can be dangerous. Bullets don’t just disappear when you fire them. If you fire a warning shot into a wall, there’s a good chance you will injure someone on the other side of the wall. And if you fire a warning shot into the air, the way you see the cops do on teevee, the bullet is going to come right back down with lethal velocity.

          1. And if you fire a warning shot into the air, the way you see the cops do on teevee, the bullet is going to come right back down with lethal velocity.

            Actually, the bullet will slow down to a somewhat less harmful terminal velocity for a tumbling bullet. I understand the exception is if you fire almost perfectly straight up so that the bullet doesn’t tumble as it falls.

          2. Edward,

            Ahhh, being the word geek again. But you know what I mean about the NRA promoting gun ownership by women for protection.

            However I personally feel gun ownership is not a right that should be taken away just because you committed a felony. In fact I don’t think it should be taken away for any reason as it is fundamental to remaining free. I feel the government at any level should not regulate gun ownership in anyway.

          3. I personally feel gun ownership is not a right that should be taken away just because you committed a felony.

            That’s not surprising, considering how many loony things you post here — but that’s not your opinion, not (as you claimed) the NRA’s.

            Are you against putting them in prison, too? Or do you just want to let them keep their guns and shoot at the guards?

            I feel the government at any level should not regulate gun ownership in anyway.

            There’s a difference between gun ownership and gun use. The right to own a gun does not imply the right to use it in an irresponsible manner.

    3. Oh, and another thing: that far-right news organization, Reuters, did a poll that showed that 68% of the American people love the hell out of that “gun lobby” you hate so much.

      That’s why your boyfriend Dick Lugar lost. The GOP primary voters were concerned about his extremism (standing with the backward 32% minority), and chose a more mainstream candidate, who stood with the 68% who support forward-looking policies.

  4. As a daily carrier, CCH holder and more than minimally armed homeowner, I’ll tell you what else this case guarantees. It guarantees more perps being dead BEFORE anyone calls 911.

    Who wants to take a chance of being ‘zimmermanned’ in the future? Why take ANY chance of going through what Zimmerman is and will, knowing full well that the MSM and the talking heads of Leftist ideology, all with a podium at the ready, previously equipped with a ‘race card’ taped firmly to the top of said podium, are waiting at the ready to call anyone a murderer who has a LEGALLY acquired gun and has the gall to it in self defense?

    It’s easier, and safer legally now, to just shoot some thief, mugger or rapist and tell YOUR story to the cops after the fact. In many minds, this has re-established that old line about,
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    ‘better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.’

    Sad but true. I know several guys who have said that after this, there is NO way they’d ever call 911 on the front end of a possible altercation. One bud of mine and his wife have discussed the CYA aspects of not calling 911 to yell for help, if she’s at home and hears someone trying to get in. From here on out they’ve decided to call out and tell anyone trying to get in that they are armed and if they still want in, oh well to them, if they do get in.

    Let me reiterate what I said here early on about this case and I am in no WAY on the ‘just go on and hang Zimmerman’ side of this, but I do think he screwed the pooch.

    At the point where he lost sight of Martin, he should have stopped any attempt at following. As it is he obviously get busted up a goodly amount, judging from the pictures anyway. But if Martin had been armed too, Zimmerman could have just as easily been the one killed.

    Or, I expect that if that kid had gotten to the gun, Zimmerman would be dead and they’d probably have another unsolved murder in FL right now. And I can tell you that there would be no national headline saying,

    “FL Neighborhood Watch Captain Murdered, shooter still at large!”

      1. That means only 49 other states to go Thomas!

        This problem will never go away IMHO. Or at least it won’t go away until fewer and fewer people get their news from the MSM. It’s not a stretch to say that Zimmerman would be unknown to us were it not for the media screaming that he killed a teenager, and then they showed that 5 year old picture of a 12 year old Trayvon Martin, smiling like a child at Christmas.

        If they’d shown Martin’s picture, with the black watch cap, shooting the bird at the camera, the majority of Americans would have given this story a hearty ‘BFD’ immediately!

        1. Der Schtumpy,

          Yes. You know, what the Tea Party should really be doing is proposing a new Amendment, one which make gun ownership and the right of self defense basic civil rights which government at any level may not regulated or restrict in any form. Yes, folks would scream. Let them. At Robert Heinlein noted many times gun ownership creates both a polite and free society.

  6. This was all (the Arrest, the charge) a dance to appease the black victim machine. Zimmerman was released by the cops the same night. They didn’t see any reason to hold him, a very good litmus test for his apparent guilt.
    We’ll have black outrage, possibly a riot or two, when charges are dropped. The Victimhood train chugs on…

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