[[[“By defeating Dick Lugar and nominating Richard Mourdock, the Tea Party is poised to hand another strong pick-up opportunity for Democrats,” DSCC spokesman Matt Canter said in an email sent Tuesday afternoon.]]]
[[[Canter goes on to attack Mourdock for an alleged pay-to-play scandal and for backing a lawsuit against Chrysler’s government-backed bankruptcy plan, accusing him of spending $2 million of taxpayer money on the lawsuit that could have cost Indiana more than 100,000 jobs, in their estimate. The attack has been one Democrats had not yet made publicly because they didn’t want to help Lugar, whom most see as a much tougher general-election candidate than Mourdock. ]]]
It looks like Nevada and Delaware all over again with the Tea Party winning in the primary but losing in the general election.
Hilarious wishful thinking from Tom and the Indiana Dems. The Democrat in Indiana won’t have a prayer, regardless of who the Republican nominee is.
Rand,
Seems to me you made the same predictions for Nevada and Delaware…
Romney will have plenty big coattails in Indiana.
For the NRA, the cost of supporting Reid in ’10 is the possibility of supporting Lugar in ’12.
The NRA didn’t support Reid. They didn’t endorse either candidate.
Another thing Tom, Indiana ain’t Delaware. With the exception of the ballot box stuffing in Gary letting Obama squeak by in 08, Indiana is a pretty red state. Indiana now has a voter ID law. That should help curtail the Zombie vote this time too.
Yes, I forget, part of the Tea Party narrative is that if they lose its because of voter fraud because no true American would vote against them 🙂
Moot. They aren’t going to lose and it won’t br close in November.
BTW, early returns have Lugar getting obliterated.
M Pucket,
We will see, especially given Rep. Joe Donnelly’s record on promoting gun rights and opposing abortion. I suspect most of Senator Lugar’s supporters could live with voting for him as Senator.
Yes, I forget, part of the Tea Party narrative is that if they lose its because of voter fraud because no true American would vote against them
Funny, you should mention that. Because I see some strange vote tabulating behavior in numerous, if not most, Republican state primaries and caucuses, where precincts above a certain population threshold (a threshold unique to each state primary) vote progressively more for Romney and less for a single other candidate (Paul and Gingrich are the usual candidates who see vote loss, but it happened to Santorum on occasion as well) as the election total is reported. So large precinct X reports initially substantially higher votes for say, Gingrich and lower votes for Romney, than it does at the time that the final votes are tallied, while small precinct Y, which often is right next door can accurately predict its final vote tally from the first few votes.
So far, for the people (see the link below) investigating this, the only time in the recent past few elections prior to the 2008 election (which saw some of the same effects) where they could see elections where the vote tally drifts as the votes are counted, was in Louisiana in the 90s. In those elections, known vote fraud happened (under former Commissioner Jerry Fowler).
I think it’s vote fraud on a massive scale which happened to benefit Romney at the expense of the rest of the candidates. You might want to be interested, because Nevada is one of the states apparently affected. For example, Washoe County (which contains Reno) when for initial votes reported had 35% of the vote going to Romney and 25% to Paul. By the end of the vote tally, Romney had risen to roughly 42% of the vote, while Paul had dropped the corresponding amount to roughly 18%. None of the other candidates had changed. The initial vote was an accurate indicator of what votes Gingrich and Santorum would receive. I gather this corresponded to roughly 400-450 votes shifted from one candidate to the other.
A somewhat disjointed and rambling discussion of this can be found in this document which shows very peculiar statistical behavior in the Republican primaries, all benefiting the Romney campaign at the expense of the other candidates. It’s a compilation of a large number of comments and graphs from several threads on a Ron Paul community forum by a number of Ron Paul supporters and is very much a work in progress. But I think they have a case.
Good to know. So this election may turn on which (BO or MR) is a bigger cheater?
“The NRA didn’t support Reid”
They just sent Wayne LaPierre to talk about what a great champion of gun rights he was, and refused to answer the phone when Reid’s opponent called.
Guess supporting the confirmations of Sotomayor and Kagan wasn’t as “defining” as the NRA said it was…
DaveP,
[[[They just sent Wayne LaPierre to talk about what a great champion of gun rights he was, and refused to answer the phone when Reid’s opponent called.]]]
Which shows you what they thought about Sharon Angle, who BTW has gone back to supporting her friends in the AIP party.
Both Mourdock and the Dem nominee are solid pro-gunners. I obviously prefer the Republican but I would support the Dem if Lugar was the nominee in this instance. A win-win in my book.
Either way, I am happy that turncoat Lugar, an activist anti(you have to really try to get an F- BTW!) is toast!
As a Washoe County resident, I can tell you that Matula is talking out his ass. If you go to either any candidate HQ or the county GOP office, you will see that either one have a pro-Tea Party outlook. In the 2010 election, there was a great deal of tension between Angle’s office in the Cosco shopping center on Harvard Blvd., and the GOP HQ on South Virginia St. (which tended to be more moderate in outlook), yet the GOP HQ still made it clear that pro-Reid Republicans such as Mayor Bob Cashell and state Sen. Bill Raggio were not welcome there. Not much has changed; Matula’s buddies make up a rather tiny group of people (specifically, the politicians who give Matula and other parasites the corporate welfare on which they thrive).
So where are the articles for principle over pragmatism here.
Meanwhile the Democrats are already starting their campaign against Mourdock…
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/226065-dems-dont-wait-to-attack-mourdock-ahead-of-likely-primary-win-over-lugar
[[[“By defeating Dick Lugar and nominating Richard Mourdock, the Tea Party is poised to hand another strong pick-up opportunity for Democrats,” DSCC spokesman Matt Canter said in an email sent Tuesday afternoon.]]]
[[[Canter goes on to attack Mourdock for an alleged pay-to-play scandal and for backing a lawsuit against Chrysler’s government-backed bankruptcy plan, accusing him of spending $2 million of taxpayer money on the lawsuit that could have cost Indiana more than 100,000 jobs, in their estimate. The attack has been one Democrats had not yet made publicly because they didn’t want to help Lugar, whom most see as a much tougher general-election candidate than Mourdock. ]]]
It looks like Nevada and Delaware all over again with the Tea Party winning in the primary but losing in the general election.
Hilarious wishful thinking from Tom and the Indiana Dems. The Democrat in Indiana won’t have a prayer, regardless of who the Republican nominee is.
Rand,
Seems to me you made the same predictions for Nevada and Delaware…
Romney will have plenty big coattails in Indiana.
For the NRA, the cost of supporting Reid in ’10 is the possibility of supporting Lugar in ’12.
The NRA didn’t support Reid. They didn’t endorse either candidate.
Another thing Tom, Indiana ain’t Delaware. With the exception of the ballot box stuffing in Gary letting Obama squeak by in 08, Indiana is a pretty red state. Indiana now has a voter ID law. That should help curtail the Zombie vote this time too.
Yes, I forget, part of the Tea Party narrative is that if they lose its because of voter fraud because no true American would vote against them 🙂
Moot. They aren’t going to lose and it won’t br close in November.
BTW, early returns have Lugar getting obliterated.
M Pucket,
We will see, especially given Rep. Joe Donnelly’s record on promoting gun rights and opposing abortion. I suspect most of Senator Lugar’s supporters could live with voting for him as Senator.
Yes, I forget, part of the Tea Party narrative is that if they lose its because of voter fraud because no true American would vote against them
Funny, you should mention that. Because I see some strange vote tabulating behavior in numerous, if not most, Republican state primaries and caucuses, where precincts above a certain population threshold (a threshold unique to each state primary) vote progressively more for Romney and less for a single other candidate (Paul and Gingrich are the usual candidates who see vote loss, but it happened to Santorum on occasion as well) as the election total is reported. So large precinct X reports initially substantially higher votes for say, Gingrich and lower votes for Romney, than it does at the time that the final votes are tallied, while small precinct Y, which often is right next door can accurately predict its final vote tally from the first few votes.
So far, for the people (see the link below) investigating this, the only time in the recent past few elections prior to the 2008 election (which saw some of the same effects) where they could see elections where the vote tally drifts as the votes are counted, was in Louisiana in the 90s. In those elections, known vote fraud happened (under former Commissioner Jerry Fowler).
I think it’s vote fraud on a massive scale which happened to benefit Romney at the expense of the rest of the candidates. You might want to be interested, because Nevada is one of the states apparently affected. For example, Washoe County (which contains Reno) when for initial votes reported had 35% of the vote going to Romney and 25% to Paul. By the end of the vote tally, Romney had risen to roughly 42% of the vote, while Paul had dropped the corresponding amount to roughly 18%. None of the other candidates had changed. The initial vote was an accurate indicator of what votes Gingrich and Santorum would receive. I gather this corresponded to roughly 400-450 votes shifted from one candidate to the other.
A somewhat disjointed and rambling discussion of this can be found in this document which shows very peculiar statistical behavior in the Republican primaries, all benefiting the Romney campaign at the expense of the other candidates. It’s a compilation of a large number of comments and graphs from several threads on a Ron Paul community forum by a number of Ron Paul supporters and is very much a work in progress. But I think they have a case.
Good to know. So this election may turn on which (BO or MR) is a bigger cheater?
“The NRA didn’t support Reid”
They just sent Wayne LaPierre to talk about what a great champion of gun rights he was, and refused to answer the phone when Reid’s opponent called.
Guess supporting the confirmations of Sotomayor and Kagan wasn’t as “defining” as the NRA said it was…
DaveP,
[[[They just sent Wayne LaPierre to talk about what a great champion of gun rights he was, and refused to answer the phone when Reid’s opponent called.]]]
Which shows you what they thought about Sharon Angle, who BTW has gone back to supporting her friends in the AIP party.
Both Mourdock and the Dem nominee are solid pro-gunners. I obviously prefer the Republican but I would support the Dem if Lugar was the nominee in this instance. A win-win in my book.
Either way, I am happy that turncoat Lugar, an activist anti(you have to really try to get an F- BTW!) is toast!
As a Washoe County resident, I can tell you that Matula is talking out his ass. If you go to either any candidate HQ or the county GOP office, you will see that either one have a pro-Tea Party outlook. In the 2010 election, there was a great deal of tension between Angle’s office in the Cosco shopping center on Harvard Blvd., and the GOP HQ on South Virginia St. (which tended to be more moderate in outlook), yet the GOP HQ still made it clear that pro-Reid Republicans such as Mayor Bob Cashell and state Sen. Bill Raggio were not welcome there. Not much has changed; Matula’s buddies make up a rather tiny group of people (specifically, the politicians who give Matula and other parasites the corporate welfare on which they thrive).