A necessary step to running as a Third Party if none of his “approved” candidates wins.
Yep, time to pop some popcorn and watch the fun 🙂
I sure hope so
Rand, imagine your hopes come true, and there is a brokered convention. Are you hoping for a particular nominee to be selected?
For that matter, regardless of who you might prefer, who are the possible selectees? Haley Barbour comes to mind of course. Jeb Bush and Chris Christie have both repeatedly said no to this cycle (and Christie has already endorsed Romney.) Anyone else?
My preference would be Daniels. My understanding is that he’s not running because his family didn’t want him to, but he might change his mind if it’s just a two-month process without the grueling primaries.
My preference would be Daniels.
Jack Daniels? I suppose that’s always a good candidate of last resort… 😉
It would seem the logical outcome of the above presented scenario is Gingrich would go to Paul and ask “Wanna be my Vice President or have your boy be my VP?” and get RP’s deligates that way.
Ron Paul is done after that newsletter of his hit the interwebs. Libertarians need someone who is a little less crazy and a lot less OWS.
It is a hypothetical scenario and I am making a hypothetical response. Could be Larry vs Moe vs Curly for that matter. Same prinicple applies. One candidate could strike a deal in exchange for the others delegates.
Fair enough.
Extra words cause I don’t know ancient internet secrets.
Use the Force
I doubt Ron Paul shares many views with OWS. He thinks Wall Street is a large part of the problem, as do the OWS people, but beyond that there is very little agreement. Not only don’t the OWS what the problem is, they themselves – like the WS bankers – benefit from the existence of a fiat currency. It looks as if Paul is trying to channel some anti Wall Street anger into anti-Fed anger. It he succeeds, that will be a good thing.
I missed the newsletter thing.
The hope of a brokered convention is a chance to say “none of the above.” It would then allow the convention to select or draft a mid-western or western governor with small-government creds. Kashich may not be a bad choice.
But it is not likely to happen. The Republican hierarchy has no real small-government, low-spending mentality. It is just a face they put on for the cameras, which is why they are trying to jam Romney down people’s throats. Given this, the only way to force a brokered convention is for the tea party types to actively come out against Romney and anyone else of his ilk and make it clear that they will jump to a third party if they don’t get what they want. Otherwise, the GOP has no reason to listen to them.
America Elects has been quietly getting qualified on the ballots in all 50 states so it would be easy for any dissatisfied Tea Party candidate to link up with them.
[[[Americans Elect wins third-party spot on California ballot
It’s a major step in the privately financed group’s bid to offer an alternative to President Obama and his eventual Republican challenger.]]]
And as I noted above Gov. Gary Johnson has already quit the Republican Party and announced he is running as a Libertarian.
Rand, do you have a candidate you would like to see selected by the brokered convention?
Given how each candidate gets 15 minutes of stardom and then crashes and burns, one wonders how guys like Daniels and Christie would have done.
And I still wonder why some of those guys – like Daniels, didn’t run. Was it because the Establishment was against them? Or did they just miscalculate?
[[[And I still wonder why some of those guys – like Daniels, didn’t run. Was it because the Establishment was against them? Or did they just miscalculate?]]]
No, the answer is more simple. They know that in order to get the Tea Party endorsement this year they have to move so far to the right they would never get elected by the folks in the middle in the hand full of swing states that actually determine who is President. So by running this year and losing they would ruin their future chances of being elected.
Gregg,
I think Daniels, in particular, said that he didn’t want his personal life discussed at length in the press anymore. [A standard, but sincere, statement of regret about the politics of personal destruction goes here].
And I think one of the problems with a brokered convention is that almost all (if not all) of the plausible selectees are like Daniels, in that they have a good reason why they didn’t run for President this year, a reason why they would want to turn down the Republican Convention’s offer.
Bob
Well yeah that’s what he said. But as you point out – we don’t really know if that’s the case.
Thomas, is it possible for you to post in one political thread and not introduce the Tea Party?
Dude, you got a problem.
I see a reply by Matula and I replace the volumes of text by:
The Tea Party
I always read his posts in a gollum voice. Filthy Hobbitses!!!
HAHAHAHAA I like that one…
Like it or not they are a key driving of Republican Party politics.
That should be “driver”
That is not the point Tom. You see ALL politics thru the lens of the tea party th way Andrew Sullivan does thru the lens of Sarah Palin’s uterus.
Given that neither Gingrich nor Perry qualified for the Virginia Primary, I’d say that eliminates both from my list of consideration:
If they can’t be organized enough to get 10k signatures in time, then they can’t run the country.
I had high hopes for Perry when he entered – but he destroyed those hopes in the first debate.
I was hoping Gingrich would make it because I like a lot of what he says, I ignore his personal baggage, and think he’s less flawed than Willard.
So now it looks like it’s going to be Willard. Virginia is a very important State. Less chance of a brokered convention.
Gingrich: “This shows it is a failed system”
Blogger: Alan Keyes and Dennis Kucinich worked the same failed system to get on the ballot in 2000 and 2008 respectively. Fred Thompson also managed stay awake long enough to mosey onto the ballot.
“Political parties, after all, are open institutions that anyone is free to join, and if the system is in disrepair it can only mean that Republican partisans—the grassroots—have failed to fix it. It is worth remembering as well that the current nomination system has been in place for nearly half a century, and despite a mountain of evidence from nearly a dozen presidential cycles that it is grossly inefficient, conservatives have spent no intellectual or political effort in reforming it. Apparently the chickens are coming home to roost.
Perhaps 2012 will be the year that the GOP grassroots finally takes a cue from the progressives of 100 years ago, who made a point of focusing on the political process in addition to public policy. Those early 20th-century liberals made a lasting mark: They understood that a broken process cannot yield good policy, so they backed significant, lasting reforms like the direct election of senators, recall petitions, ballot initiatives, and so on. It is high time that conservatives start thinking seriously about ways to fix our many broken political institutions, and our terrible candidate-selection process should rank at the top of the list.”
It’s a complete mystery why people who hate politics aren’t as organized/focused/dogmatic as people who love politics. It’s almost like there’s some fundamental difference in the motivations between the two…not sure what…
I suspect Jay Cost is speaking about the latter of your two groups…..party workers, local party organizations, and hundreds of thousands of Tea Party (cue Matula) people who have had enough, and bestirred themselves.
I have read that the grassroots have actually learned that huge gatherings aren’t enough. And that the reason they are quiet is that they’ve learned the process part of this. Hope it is so.
I have to join the chorus here. Why expect a brokered convention to produce a better candidate?
Meanwhile Donald Trump has joined Gov. Johnson in bailing from the Republican Party.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/donald-trump-bolts-republican-party-eyeing-other-2012-options/
A necessary step to running as a Third Party if none of his “approved” candidates wins.
Yep, time to pop some popcorn and watch the fun 🙂
I sure hope so
Rand, imagine your hopes come true, and there is a brokered convention. Are you hoping for a particular nominee to be selected?
For that matter, regardless of who you might prefer, who are the possible selectees? Haley Barbour comes to mind of course. Jeb Bush and Chris Christie have both repeatedly said no to this cycle (and Christie has already endorsed Romney.) Anyone else?
My preference would be Daniels. My understanding is that he’s not running because his family didn’t want him to, but he might change his mind if it’s just a two-month process without the grueling primaries.
My preference would be Daniels.
Jack Daniels? I suppose that’s always a good candidate of last resort… 😉
It would seem the logical outcome of the above presented scenario is Gingrich would go to Paul and ask “Wanna be my Vice President or have your boy be my VP?” and get RP’s deligates that way.
Ron Paul is done after that newsletter of his hit the interwebs. Libertarians need someone who is a little less crazy and a lot less OWS.
It is a hypothetical scenario and I am making a hypothetical response. Could be Larry vs Moe vs Curly for that matter. Same prinicple applies. One candidate could strike a deal in exchange for the others delegates.
Fair enough.
Extra words cause I don’t know ancient internet secrets.Use the Force
I doubt Ron Paul shares many views with OWS. He thinks Wall Street is a large part of the problem, as do the OWS people, but beyond that there is very little agreement. Not only don’t the OWS what the problem is, they themselves – like the WS bankers – benefit from the existence of a fiat currency. It looks as if Paul is trying to channel some anti Wall Street anger into anti-Fed anger. It he succeeds, that will be a good thing.
I missed the newsletter thing.
The hope of a brokered convention is a chance to say “none of the above.” It would then allow the convention to select or draft a mid-western or western governor with small-government creds. Kashich may not be a bad choice.
But it is not likely to happen. The Republican hierarchy has no real small-government, low-spending mentality. It is just a face they put on for the cameras, which is why they are trying to jam Romney down people’s throats. Given this, the only way to force a brokered convention is for the tea party types to actively come out against Romney and anyone else of his ilk and make it clear that they will jump to a third party if they don’t get what they want. Otherwise, the GOP has no reason to listen to them.
America Elects has been quietly getting qualified on the ballots in all 50 states so it would be easy for any dissatisfied Tea Party candidate to link up with them.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/20/nation/la-na-california-americans-elect-20111220
[[[Americans Elect wins third-party spot on California ballot
It’s a major step in the privately financed group’s bid to offer an alternative to President Obama and his eventual Republican challenger.]]]
And as I noted above Gov. Gary Johnson has already quit the Republican Party and announced he is running as a Libertarian.
Rand, do you have a candidate you would like to see selected by the brokered convention?
Given how each candidate gets 15 minutes of stardom and then crashes and burns, one wonders how guys like Daniels and Christie would have done.
And I still wonder why some of those guys – like Daniels, didn’t run. Was it because the Establishment was against them? Or did they just miscalculate?
[[[And I still wonder why some of those guys – like Daniels, didn’t run. Was it because the Establishment was against them? Or did they just miscalculate?]]]
No, the answer is more simple. They know that in order to get the Tea Party endorsement this year they have to move so far to the right they would never get elected by the folks in the middle in the hand full of swing states that actually determine who is President. So by running this year and losing they would ruin their future chances of being elected.
Gregg,
I think Daniels, in particular, said that he didn’t want his personal life discussed at length in the press anymore. [A standard, but sincere, statement of regret about the politics of personal destruction goes here].
And I think one of the problems with a brokered convention is that almost all (if not all) of the plausible selectees are like Daniels, in that they have a good reason why they didn’t run for President this year, a reason why they would want to turn down the Republican Convention’s offer.
Bob
Well yeah that’s what he said. But as you point out – we don’t really know if that’s the case.
Thomas, is it possible for you to post in one political thread and not introduce the Tea Party?
Dude, you got a problem.
I see a reply by Matula and I replace the volumes of text by:
The Tea Party
I always read his posts in a gollum voice. Filthy Hobbitses!!!
HAHAHAHAA I like that one…
Like it or not they are a key driving of Republican Party politics.
That should be “driver”
That is not the point Tom. You see ALL politics thru the lens of the tea party th way Andrew Sullivan does thru the lens of Sarah Palin’s uterus.
Given that neither Gingrich nor Perry qualified for the Virginia Primary, I’d say that eliminates both from my list of consideration:
If they can’t be organized enough to get 10k signatures in time, then they can’t run the country.
I had high hopes for Perry when he entered – but he destroyed those hopes in the first debate.
I was hoping Gingrich would make it because I like a lot of what he says, I ignore his personal baggage, and think he’s less flawed than Willard.
So now it looks like it’s going to be Willard. Virginia is a very important State. Less chance of a brokered convention.
Gregg, I’m not disagreeing with your point, but Gingrich says it is a failed system, and I think he’s right. On the other hand, here is some comedy on the subject: http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/24/gingrich-also-fails-to-qualify-for-virginia-ballot/
Executive Summary:
Gingrich: “This shows it is a failed system”
Blogger: Alan Keyes and Dennis Kucinich worked the same failed system to get on the ballot in 2000 and 2008 respectively. Fred Thompson also managed stay awake long enough to mosey onto the ballot.
Jay Cost has a similar view here:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/still-romney-s-race-lose_614758.html
excerpt:
“Political parties, after all, are open institutions that anyone is free to join, and if the system is in disrepair it can only mean that Republican partisans—the grassroots—have failed to fix it. It is worth remembering as well that the current nomination system has been in place for nearly half a century, and despite a mountain of evidence from nearly a dozen presidential cycles that it is grossly inefficient, conservatives have spent no intellectual or political effort in reforming it. Apparently the chickens are coming home to roost.
Perhaps 2012 will be the year that the GOP grassroots finally takes a cue from the progressives of 100 years ago, who made a point of focusing on the political process in addition to public policy. Those early 20th-century liberals made a lasting mark: They understood that a broken process cannot yield good policy, so they backed significant, lasting reforms like the direct election of senators, recall petitions, ballot initiatives, and so on. It is high time that conservatives start thinking seriously about ways to fix our many broken political institutions, and our terrible candidate-selection process should rank at the top of the list.”
It’s a complete mystery why people who hate politics aren’t as organized/focused/dogmatic as people who love politics. It’s almost like there’s some fundamental difference in the motivations between the two…not sure what…
I suspect Jay Cost is speaking about the latter of your two groups…..party workers, local party organizations, and hundreds of thousands of Tea Party (cue Matula) people who have had enough, and bestirred themselves.
I have read that the grassroots have actually learned that huge gatherings aren’t enough. And that the reason they are quiet is that they’ve learned the process part of this. Hope it is so.
I have to join the chorus here. Why expect a brokered convention to produce a better candidate?