Certainly an idiotarian, but he demonstrates the need to loosen up the discussion a bit. America has been called imperialist where the evidence doesn’t exist. Trump says historically to the victor go the spoils and he’s absolutely right.
What kind of world might it be if America was imperialistic?; took over countries it conquered and made them all protectorates with no voting rights? Rather than allowing sharia to encroach we establish our laws in their lands. Woman immediately become first class citizens; no more stoning, etc. An American governor, subject to American discipline would be responsible. No more foreign tyrants we can’t control taking charge. We don’t get accused of supporting evil governments (other than our own.)
Thanks for illustrating that the Tea Party is the true Cheshire Cat of political movements. Everything to everyone and nothing to no one at the same time 🙂
What kind of world might it be if America was imperialistic?
Probably not as different as you think. Britain’s Empire did well because it either transplanted Britons (to North America and Australia) and/or ruled over Chinese and Indians (two cultures that already contained the seeds of modernity in some ways). The British results in Africa and the Middle East were poor, and those countries are still more African or Arab today than British – just look at Rhodesia … sorry, Zimbabwe.
What would the difference be in Europe or Japan? More American naval and air bases than we already have? More trade than we’ve already got?
The fact is that Empires don’t make sense any more. In times past the majority of wealth came from the control of land and the resources that land provided (foor, ore, timber, etc.). That’s simply not true any more. In the modern world a country like Switzerland or Finnland can import any raw materials it needs and add so much value they become rich once they sell the goods back into the global market.
Ruling over a bunch of people with a different language and culture is just a headache, and there’s no profit in it any more.
With the possible exception of oil. Conquering Saudi Arabia and just confiscating their oil for American use would probably add quite a bit to our bottom line.
Come to think of it, why the hell did we give Iraq and Kuwait back to the locals? Stupid! Stupid!
What Trump is, is a tireless self promoter. His ratings on the TV show must have looked like they were dipping, so he’s doing his most important job.
Make Trump look good.
I don’t see a great deal of difference in Trump and Obama, and their speeches last week. It’s all mostly BS with a few facts sprinkled in, filled with unrealistic propositions and over-hyped, full on, self promoting.
[[[Strikingly, Trump — who has received a considerable amount of attention for incorrectly stating that President Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. — finishes first among Tea Party supporters (at 20 percent), followed by Romney (17 percent), Huckabee (14 percent), Palin (12 percent) and Gingrich (9 percent).]]]
So he is indeed leading the pack in terms of individuals who declare themselves to be supporters of the Tea Party nationally, and not just at a single event.
Thanks for illustrating that the Tea Party is the true Cheshire Cat of political movements. Everything to everyone and nothing to no one at the same time
No, it’s nothing to some, something to others. Plato’s ghost is haunting your cranium.
What Trump is, is a tireless self promoter.
Indeed, and when novelty wears off, people will get bored with him, he’ll be bored with them, and move on and build another monument to himself.
Ruling over a bunch of people with a different language and culture is just a headache, and there’s no profit in it any more.
I don’t know that the issue is profits so much although management of resources is part of it. The point is imperialists impose their own language and culture on the conquered. India is easier for Americans to deal with because of the english influence. Language can unify or divide.
the Tea Party is the true Cheshire Cat of political movements
Yes Thomas, specifically to frustrate you.
Back to Trump, since he’s not a serious contender he can bring up that which is considered unserious… which is a societies way of hiding some truths.
What Trump is, is a tireless self promoter. His ratings on the TV show must have looked like they were dipping, so he’s doing his most important job.
Make Trump look good.
Trump is a Trumpian. He’s for whatever is good for himself.
Yes Thomas, specifically to frustrate you.
Yeah, I’m not sure why he’s getting cocky — that same poll effectually shows he’s nearly as popular with Real Republicans(tm), too (Oh, forgot about that part, eh?)
Back to Trump, since he’s not a serious contender he can bring up that which is considered unserious… which is a societies way of hiding some truths.
Gajillionaires and court jesters can oft speak taboos without repercussions.
I agree with others that say what I think Larry said simply: He’s for whatever is good for himself. The beauty is he’s out there now, right now. So he should peak way before any actual primary vote.
court jesters can oft speak taboos
One of the two reasons I like King Lear so much.
I’d vote for his hair before I’d vote for him.
One of the two reasons I like King Lear so much.
Ran remains one of my all-time fav flicks…
Trump is serving the same purpose as a fool in a Shakespeare play, saying things of nonsense and wisdom that others dare not say. It is up to us to decide which is which.
I should have read all the comments before posting my own, I see we’re on the same wavelength with regards to Trump.
Of course Trump is an idolitarian. Check out his reality show “The Celebrity Apprentice” and you’ll get a big dose of his self-love.
I got tired of Trump twenty years ago. I can’t believe people are still glomming on to whatever he does and says. Oh wait — he’s got lots of money, doesn’t he?
Aside from Trump pushing the birther nonsense, it is a good thing he is so prominent in the field of potential candidates. His presence gives Obama and his media lapdogs someone to attack and destroy buying precious time for more serious candidates before the media turns on them.
Trump as red herring?
Go, Trump, go! /cheer
Der Schtumpy,
[[[What Trump is, is a tireless self promoter. His ratings on the TV show must have looked like they were dipping, so he’s doing his most important job.
Make Trump look good.]]]
Yes, he’s a true graduate school of Sarah Palin’s school for Tea Party leaders.
Titus,
[[[Yeah, I’m not sure why he’s getting cocky — that same poll effectually shows he’s nearly as popular with Real Republicans(tm), too]]]
Maybe because as I predicted the Tea Party bubble is bursting so the Republicans may get their party back from the Tea Party before 2012.
As Tea Party cranks up heat on Congress, poll shows public support waning
Mar 30, 2011 16:04 EDT
[[[While the Tea Party helped Republicans win power in last year’s elections, nearly half of all Americans now have an unfavorable view of it, according to CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released on Wednesday.]]]
[[[That drops the Tea Party into the same disapproval range as the Democratic and Republican parties, whose unfavorable ratings are each 48 percent. The Tea Party’s favorable rating of 32 percent is down five points since December.]]
and
[[[“Why has the Tea Party gone down so fast? They seemed fresh and, just maybe, added a needed ingredient in the process last year. But so far, what’s happened? Not much except the usual bickering and gridlock,” Sabato said.]]]
So the Tea Party embracing Donald Trump is just another sign they are on the downward spiral.
Yeah, Thomas, Sarah Palin placed herself in front of the country, made herself famous, and she goes back and forth politically to whichever side can make more money for herself, she’s just like Trump.
Seriously?
Der Schtumpy,
If you recall she put her self-interest, and chance to make a fortune, above her duty to the folks in Alaska who elected her Governor, walking out on them mid-term to star in her own reality show.
So yes she did put herself out in front of the country instead of returning to serve the folks in Alaska after she lost. As for the flip-flops, before she join the anti-tax Tea Party she pushed for more taxes on the oil firms in Alaska, including a wind fall profits tax, so she has had her share of flip-flops as well.
Palin Boosted Oil-Company Taxes While Alaska Had Budget Surplus
By Alison Fitzgerald – September 6, 2008 00:01 EDT
[[[ Sept. 6 (Bloomberg) — Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, who has joined the Republican national ticket as a tax-cutter, was a driving force in raising a tax on oil companies last year that will help swell the state’s budget surplus.
The increase backed by the Republican vice presidential nominee will, at current prices, raise oil revenue to $11 billion this year — almost twice what the state needs to fund its government — state documents show. Alaska also has gotten more money from the federal government than its residents pay in taxes — $1.75 per tax dollar in 2006, the most recent year available, according to the Tax Foundation, a Washington research group. ]]]
Thomas, self interest is a good thing. Having the interest of our country is a good thing. Tea party self interest is a good thing. Handing over our country to illegal aliens, as you’ve promoted, is not self interest and that’s a bad thing.
The folks in AK are fine with Sarah, but your sincere concern is touching.
We’ve just lost our triple A rating because not enough people have been paying attention to self interest.
Ken,
Yes, the folks in Alaska are glad to be rid of her 🙂
[[[Handing over our country to illegal aliens, as you’ve promoted, is not self interest and that’s a bad thing.]]]
And just how ensuring the U.S. will be able to continue to be competitive, and self-sufficient in agriculture not in our self-interest? Do you want the U.S. to be as dependent on food imports as we are on oil imports? or are you willing to go into the fields and take their place, for the same wages they receive?
Maybe because as I predicted the Tea Party bubble is bursting so the Republicans may get their party back from the Tea Party before 2012.
Yeah, and Real Democrats(tm) have been waiting for decades to reclaim “their” party, too. 🙂
McGehee Says:
April 18th, 2011 at 10:57 am
“I’d vote for his hair before I’d vote for him.”
Another vote for the Labradoodle Party! Woohoo!
Thomas Matula Says:
April 18th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
…”or are you willing to go into the fields and take their place, for the same wages they receive?”
McCain offered $50/hr, I’d go for that.
the folks in Alaska are glad to be rid of her
Good to see you support her decision. Yer not hopeless.
Nobody who would let Dennis Rodman compete on “Celebrity Apprentice” should be President.
IIRC, Alaska had a law that said the governor had to use their own money to defend themselves in court.
In come the Democrats from the lower 48 with frivolous lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit. Not content to win an election, they wanted to destroy her life by making her sell off all her assets to pay for legal bills. I think she was around $500k in debt when she stepped down.
How many of those lawsuits went against Palin?
Might be a little too soon to celebrate the demise of the Tea Party so soon after one of the greatest shellackings in history in 2010.
Damn Tom, how many times are you going to repeat that lie about why Palin resigned? You have been corrected on it at least 50 times here but you never seem to remember.
How much lead paint did you consume as a child while you were riding that short-bus to skool?
How about Mrs. Palin in her own words:
“In my case, one by one, every ethics charge filed against me and my staff was tossed out. But there was one that was settled with a finding of no wrongdoing.
It concerned First Family travel. Since we live in a huge state with few roads linking rural communities, flying to another city usually isn’t just a day trip. Before, when I’d travel on the road system for a state function, any of the kids who were not tied up with school or a sport could just jump into the truck and off we’d go. When we had to fly somewhere for a First Family event, the state would pay for it; otherwise, I would pay for the kids out of my own pocket. Sometimes we could hop on the state’s prison transport plane, the King Air, and zip somewhere to attend one of the many First Family events we were constantly being invited to. It wasn’t as though they were bumping anyone – the seats were empty, and it was usually only Piper displacing forty pounds of air on this old state aircraft.”
…
“The Personnel Board investigator for this complaint was a Democrat, and though he had been fair to my administration in the past, the word was that he was feeling some pressure not to let us off. Still, he admitted that the travel guidelines were vague and circular, and that I had correctly followed the law and historical precedent established by past governors in their family travel. However, because the travel guidelines were so vague, he asked me if I would hold myself to a future law that could one day be written to establish clearer travel guidelines. I agreed. He reviewed my kids’ trips and presented me with a list of the ones he found “questionable” according to the new (and as yet unbinding) guidelines he established for judging their benefit to the state.
I signed a settlement that stated clearly that I had not violated any law, travel regulation, or protocol. I agreed to reimburse the state for the trips in question, even though they were First Family functions that the kids were invited to – my staff had all of the emails and invitations proving this.”
…
“The ethics complaint insanity came to a head when the obstructionists started targeting my staff. If they answered a press question about, say, a national event I was invited to, they would be charged with doing “partisan work on state time”. Andree charged Kris with accompanying me on the campaign trail as the liaison with my state office, although she had full clearance to do so, and I was obviously not going to abandon my full-time responsibilities as an elected official while on the trail, though many candidates do. Kris had to pay to defend herself out of her own pocket. Randy Ruaro was charged and also had to pay personally to defend himself for merely doing his job. Others were in the same boat. Why would any rational citizen want to put himself through this? You wonder why good people stay out of politics? This is why.
The method of attack we were combating seems to have come right out of Saul Alinsky’s activist manual Rules for Radicals – the revolutionary handbook that taught leftists how to effectively harass and obstruct their opponents. Alinsky’s tactics had seemingly been updated by a new generation of left-wing activists.”
Pgs 364-368, Going Roque
So when the going got tough she bailed out putting her interests above the interests of those she was elected to serve. And she wants to be President?
As Harry Truman said – “If you can’t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.”
Shorter Thomas Matula: it’s okay for Trump to make lots of money and be obnoxious and change careers every so often, because he’s one of us guys. But when girls like Sarah Palin try to get into the Boy’s Treehouse, we should all throw feces at her!
Right Splatt, she should have fired her staff and replaced them with people who were independently wealthy. I’m thinking your hero Alinsky would have loved that.
She [put] her interests above the interests of those she was elected to serve.
Provide even a single scrap of proof for this ridiculous assertion. A functioning AK government was in the interest of the people that elected her.
So when the going got tough she bailed out putting her interests above the interests of those she was elected to serve. And she wants to be President?
Being on the receiving end of frivolous lawsuits cost a lot of money. She couldn’t afford it anymore.
Ya know, I think the Salem witch trials are a better metaphor for these predatory lawsuits than they are for McCarthyism. That’s the impression I got after reading The Crucible. The witch laws were used by everyday folks to lynch people they don’t like – just like lawsuit abuse. There was no parallel to the witch laws in postwar America. And Commies were real – witches (as defined by Western medieval/renaissance folklore) were not.
Sarah Palin choose to run for Governor. When she found out it wasn’t the easy job she thought it was and things got rough, she quit. Its that simple. End of story.
The Founders of the Republic didn’t quit when things got rough.
Its called commitment and duty. It used to be expected from public servants, which is what elected officials are. So why so should Sarah Palin be cut any slack from running out on the folks in Alaska?
Because she a woman? Sorry Andrea, I don’t believe women should be held to a lower standard of responsibility as you seem to believe.
Because the political attacks were “unfair”? And the ones against Presidents Truman, Roosevelt, Clinton, Obama, etc. were/are because the Republicans are doing them?
Sorry, its the nature of the game. if you are not able to play with the Big Dogs then stay on the porch and so don’t have to whine when the going gets tough. If Sarah Palin couldn’t handle it as Governor of Alaska do you honestly think she would be able to if she is President?
Just remember, when Matula’s choice for the Republican Senatorial primary didn’t win; he voted for Harry Reid. Either he’s a quitter or a liar; neither is what I’d call a virtue.
Its called commitment and duty.
Declaring bankruptcy? So the state she was elected to serve would cover the costs? You are just plainly warped.
Leland,
I voted for who would best represent Nevada in the Senate. You got a problem with that? Or do you expect voters to all be party robots…
And BTW I always regarded Richard Nixon a quitter as well because he decided to cut and run when the going got rough rather than face impeachment. Seems he did good on his book deals as well 🙂
Curt,
Who discussed bankruptcy? Although I would have more respect for her if she had the sense of honor to do so rather then just cut and run.
Thomas, it may or not surprise you to learn that there is probably no one in this forum who gives a damn what you think about either the Tea Party or Sarah Palin (two topics that have nothing to do with the subject of this post). But we understand that in your compulsive obsession about them you will use any opportunity to troll with them.
I voted for who would best represent Nevada in the Senate. You got a problem with that?
So you’re a quitter. Interesting that you find something wrong with others being a quitter but have no problem being one yourself.
Rand,
Yes, they are beyond salvage in regards to the Tea Party, but hopefully many of lurkers are not.
And as a final note on duty, a quote to consider.
The basis of all morality is duty.
– Lt. Col. Jean V. Dubois (Ret.)
Robert Heinlein Starship Troopers
This is why the Tea Party is bankrupt as a movement and will fade from the scene, because the members, and their leaders, value placing self well before duty.
Certainly an idiotarian, but he demonstrates the need to loosen up the discussion a bit. America has been called imperialist where the evidence doesn’t exist. Trump says historically to the victor go the spoils and he’s absolutely right.
What kind of world might it be if America was imperialistic?; took over countries it conquered and made them all protectorates with no voting rights? Rather than allowing sharia to encroach we establish our laws in their lands. Woman immediately become first class citizens; no more stoning, etc. An American governor, subject to American discipline would be responsible. No more foreign tyrants we can’t control taking charge. We don’t get accused of supporting evil governments (other than our own.)
But the Tea Party seems to love him…
http://nation.foxnews.com/donald-trump/2011/04/18/trump-electrifies-raucous-tea-party
Trump Electrifies Raucous Tea Party
FIFY
Titus,
Thanks for illustrating that the Tea Party is the true Cheshire Cat of political movements. Everything to everyone and nothing to no one at the same time 🙂
Probably not as different as you think. Britain’s Empire did well because it either transplanted Britons (to North America and Australia) and/or ruled over Chinese and Indians (two cultures that already contained the seeds of modernity in some ways). The British results in Africa and the Middle East were poor, and those countries are still more African or Arab today than British – just look at Rhodesia … sorry, Zimbabwe.
What would the difference be in Europe or Japan? More American naval and air bases than we already have? More trade than we’ve already got?
The fact is that Empires don’t make sense any more. In times past the majority of wealth came from the control of land and the resources that land provided (foor, ore, timber, etc.). That’s simply not true any more. In the modern world a country like Switzerland or Finnland can import any raw materials it needs and add so much value they become rich once they sell the goods back into the global market.
Ruling over a bunch of people with a different language and culture is just a headache, and there’s no profit in it any more.
With the possible exception of oil. Conquering Saudi Arabia and just confiscating their oil for American use would probably add quite a bit to our bottom line.
Come to think of it, why the hell did we give Iraq and Kuwait back to the locals? Stupid! Stupid!
What Trump is, is a tireless self promoter. His ratings on the TV show must have looked like they were dipping, so he’s doing his most important job.
Make Trump look good.
I don’t see a great deal of difference in Trump and Obama, and their speeches last week. It’s all mostly BS with a few facts sprinkled in, filled with unrealistic propositions and over-hyped, full on, self promoting.
And neither of them is up to the job, IMO.
Titus,
FYI
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/06/6420733-nbcwsj-poll-trump-tied-for-2nd-in-2012-gop-field
[[[Strikingly, Trump — who has received a considerable amount of attention for incorrectly stating that President Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. — finishes first among Tea Party supporters (at 20 percent), followed by Romney (17 percent), Huckabee (14 percent), Palin (12 percent) and Gingrich (9 percent).]]]
So he is indeed leading the pack in terms of individuals who declare themselves to be supporters of the Tea Party nationally, and not just at a single event.
No, it’s nothing to some, something to others. Plato’s ghost is haunting your cranium.
Indeed, and when novelty wears off, people will get bored with him, he’ll be bored with them, and move on and build another monument to himself.
Ruling over a bunch of people with a different language and culture is just a headache, and there’s no profit in it any more.
I don’t know that the issue is profits so much although management of resources is part of it. The point is imperialists impose their own language and culture on the conquered. India is easier for Americans to deal with because of the english influence. Language can unify or divide.
the Tea Party is the true Cheshire Cat of political movements
Yes Thomas, specifically to frustrate you.
Back to Trump, since he’s not a serious contender he can bring up that which is considered unserious… which is a societies way of hiding some truths.
What Trump is, is a tireless self promoter. His ratings on the TV show must have looked like they were dipping, so he’s doing his most important job.
Make Trump look good.
Trump is a Trumpian. He’s for whatever is good for himself.
Yeah, I’m not sure why he’s getting cocky — that same poll effectually shows he’s nearly as popular with Real Republicans(tm), too (Oh, forgot about that part, eh?)
Gajillionaires and court jesters can oft speak taboos without repercussions.
I agree with others that say what I think Larry said simply: He’s for whatever is good for himself. The beauty is he’s out there now, right now. So he should peak way before any actual primary vote.
court jesters can oft speak taboos
One of the two reasons I like King Lear so much.
I’d vote for his hair before I’d vote for him.
Ran remains one of my all-time fav flicks…
Trump is serving the same purpose as a fool in a Shakespeare play, saying things of nonsense and wisdom that others dare not say. It is up to us to decide which is which.
I should have read all the comments before posting my own, I see we’re on the same wavelength with regards to Trump.
Of course Trump is an idolitarian. Check out his reality show “The Celebrity Apprentice” and you’ll get a big dose of his self-love.
I got tired of Trump twenty years ago. I can’t believe people are still glomming on to whatever he does and says. Oh wait — he’s got lots of money, doesn’t he?
Aside from Trump pushing the birther nonsense, it is a good thing he is so prominent in the field of potential candidates. His presence gives Obama and his media lapdogs someone to attack and destroy buying precious time for more serious candidates before the media turns on them.
Trump as red herring?
Go, Trump, go! /cheer
Der Schtumpy,
[[[What Trump is, is a tireless self promoter. His ratings on the TV show must have looked like they were dipping, so he’s doing his most important job.
Make Trump look good.]]]
Yes, he’s a true graduate school of Sarah Palin’s school for Tea Party leaders.
Titus,
[[[Yeah, I’m not sure why he’s getting cocky — that same poll effectually shows he’s nearly as popular with Real Republicans(tm), too]]]
Maybe because as I predicted the Tea Party bubble is bursting so the Republicans may get their party back from the Tea Party before 2012.
http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/2011/03/30/as-tea-party-cranks-up-heat-on-congress-poll-shows-public-support-waning/
As Tea Party cranks up heat on Congress, poll shows public support waning
Mar 30, 2011 16:04 EDT
[[[While the Tea Party helped Republicans win power in last year’s elections, nearly half of all Americans now have an unfavorable view of it, according to CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released on Wednesday.]]]
[[[That drops the Tea Party into the same disapproval range as the Democratic and Republican parties, whose unfavorable ratings are each 48 percent. The Tea Party’s favorable rating of 32 percent is down five points since December.]]
and
[[[“Why has the Tea Party gone down so fast? They seemed fresh and, just maybe, added a needed ingredient in the process last year. But so far, what’s happened? Not much except the usual bickering and gridlock,” Sabato said.]]]
So the Tea Party embracing Donald Trump is just another sign they are on the downward spiral.
Yeah, Thomas, Sarah Palin placed herself in front of the country, made herself famous, and she goes back and forth politically to whichever side can make more money for herself, she’s just like Trump.
Seriously?
Der Schtumpy,
If you recall she put her self-interest, and chance to make a fortune, above her duty to the folks in Alaska who elected her Governor, walking out on them mid-term to star in her own reality show.
So yes she did put herself out in front of the country instead of returning to serve the folks in Alaska after she lost. As for the flip-flops, before she join the anti-tax Tea Party she pushed for more taxes on the oil firms in Alaska, including a wind fall profits tax, so she has had her share of flip-flops as well.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aYdZoyTvFrTc
Palin Boosted Oil-Company Taxes While Alaska Had Budget Surplus
By Alison Fitzgerald – September 6, 2008 00:01 EDT
[[[ Sept. 6 (Bloomberg) — Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, who has joined the Republican national ticket as a tax-cutter, was a driving force in raising a tax on oil companies last year that will help swell the state’s budget surplus.
The increase backed by the Republican vice presidential nominee will, at current prices, raise oil revenue to $11 billion this year — almost twice what the state needs to fund its government — state documents show. Alaska also has gotten more money from the federal government than its residents pay in taxes — $1.75 per tax dollar in 2006, the most recent year available, according to the Tax Foundation, a Washington research group. ]]]
Thomas, self interest is a good thing. Having the interest of our country is a good thing. Tea party self interest is a good thing. Handing over our country to illegal aliens, as you’ve promoted, is not self interest and that’s a bad thing.
The folks in AK are fine with Sarah, but your sincere concern is touching.
We’ve just lost our triple A rating because not enough people have been paying attention to self interest.
Ken,
Yes, the folks in Alaska are glad to be rid of her 🙂
[[[Handing over our country to illegal aliens, as you’ve promoted, is not self interest and that’s a bad thing.]]]
And just how ensuring the U.S. will be able to continue to be competitive, and self-sufficient in agriculture not in our self-interest? Do you want the U.S. to be as dependent on food imports as we are on oil imports? or are you willing to go into the fields and take their place, for the same wages they receive?
Yeah, and Real Democrats(tm) have been waiting for decades to reclaim “their” party, too. 🙂
McGehee Says:
April 18th, 2011 at 10:57 am
“I’d vote for his hair before I’d vote for him.”
Another vote for the Labradoodle Party! Woohoo!
Thomas Matula Says:
April 18th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
…”or are you willing to go into the fields and take their place, for the same wages they receive?”
McCain offered $50/hr, I’d go for that.
the folks in Alaska are glad to be rid of her
Good to see you support her decision. Yer not hopeless.
Nobody who would let Dennis Rodman compete on “Celebrity Apprentice” should be President.
IIRC, Alaska had a law that said the governor had to use their own money to defend themselves in court.
In come the Democrats from the lower 48 with frivolous lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit. Not content to win an election, they wanted to destroy her life by making her sell off all her assets to pay for legal bills. I think she was around $500k in debt when she stepped down.
How many of those lawsuits went against Palin?
Might be a little too soon to celebrate the demise of the Tea Party so soon after one of the greatest shellackings in history in 2010.
Damn Tom, how many times are you going to repeat that lie about why Palin resigned? You have been corrected on it at least 50 times here but you never seem to remember.
How much lead paint did you consume as a child while you were riding that short-bus to skool?
How about Mrs. Palin in her own words:
“In my case, one by one, every ethics charge filed against me and my staff was tossed out. But there was one that was settled with a finding of no wrongdoing.
It concerned First Family travel. Since we live in a huge state with few roads linking rural communities, flying to another city usually isn’t just a day trip. Before, when I’d travel on the road system for a state function, any of the kids who were not tied up with school or a sport could just jump into the truck and off we’d go. When we had to fly somewhere for a First Family event, the state would pay for it; otherwise, I would pay for the kids out of my own pocket. Sometimes we could hop on the state’s prison transport plane, the King Air, and zip somewhere to attend one of the many First Family events we were constantly being invited to. It wasn’t as though they were bumping anyone – the seats were empty, and it was usually only Piper displacing forty pounds of air on this old state aircraft.”
…
“The Personnel Board investigator for this complaint was a Democrat, and though he had been fair to my administration in the past, the word was that he was feeling some pressure not to let us off. Still, he admitted that the travel guidelines were vague and circular, and that I had correctly followed the law and historical precedent established by past governors in their family travel. However, because the travel guidelines were so vague, he asked me if I would hold myself to a future law that could one day be written to establish clearer travel guidelines. I agreed. He reviewed my kids’ trips and presented me with a list of the ones he found “questionable” according to the new (and as yet unbinding) guidelines he established for judging their benefit to the state.
I signed a settlement that stated clearly that I had not violated any law, travel regulation, or protocol. I agreed to reimburse the state for the trips in question, even though they were First Family functions that the kids were invited to – my staff had all of the emails and invitations proving this.”
…
“The ethics complaint insanity came to a head when the obstructionists started targeting my staff. If they answered a press question about, say, a national event I was invited to, they would be charged with doing “partisan work on state time”. Andree charged Kris with accompanying me on the campaign trail as the liaison with my state office, although she had full clearance to do so, and I was obviously not going to abandon my full-time responsibilities as an elected official while on the trail, though many candidates do. Kris had to pay to defend herself out of her own pocket. Randy Ruaro was charged and also had to pay personally to defend himself for merely doing his job. Others were in the same boat. Why would any rational citizen want to put himself through this? You wonder why good people stay out of politics? This is why.
The method of attack we were combating seems to have come right out of Saul Alinsky’s activist manual Rules for Radicals – the revolutionary handbook that taught leftists how to effectively harass and obstruct their opponents. Alinsky’s tactics had seemingly been updated by a new generation of left-wing activists.”
Pgs 364-368, Going Roque
So when the going got tough she bailed out putting her interests above the interests of those she was elected to serve. And she wants to be President?
As Harry Truman said – “If you can’t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.”
Shorter Thomas Matula: it’s okay for Trump to make lots of money and be obnoxious and change careers every so often, because he’s one of us guys. But when girls like Sarah Palin try to get into the Boy’s Treehouse, we should all throw feces at her!
Right Splatt, she should have fired her staff and replaced them with people who were independently wealthy. I’m thinking your hero Alinsky would have loved that.
She [put] her interests above the interests of those she was elected to serve.
Provide even a single scrap of proof for this ridiculous assertion. A functioning AK government was in the interest of the people that elected her.
So when the going got tough she bailed out putting her interests above the interests of those she was elected to serve. And she wants to be President?
Being on the receiving end of frivolous lawsuits cost a lot of money. She couldn’t afford it anymore.
Ya know, I think the Salem witch trials are a better metaphor for these predatory lawsuits than they are for McCarthyism. That’s the impression I got after reading The Crucible. The witch laws were used by everyday folks to lynch people they don’t like – just like lawsuit abuse. There was no parallel to the witch laws in postwar America. And Commies were real – witches (as defined by Western medieval/renaissance folklore) were not.
Sarah Palin choose to run for Governor. When she found out it wasn’t the easy job she thought it was and things got rough, she quit. Its that simple. End of story.
The Founders of the Republic didn’t quit when things got rough.
http://www.aspecialdayguide.com/yorktown/foundingfathers.htm
Its called commitment and duty. It used to be expected from public servants, which is what elected officials are. So why so should Sarah Palin be cut any slack from running out on the folks in Alaska?
Because she a woman? Sorry Andrea, I don’t believe women should be held to a lower standard of responsibility as you seem to believe.
Because the political attacks were “unfair”? And the ones against Presidents Truman, Roosevelt, Clinton, Obama, etc. were/are because the Republicans are doing them?
Sorry, its the nature of the game. if you are not able to play with the Big Dogs then stay on the porch and so don’t have to whine when the going gets tough. If Sarah Palin couldn’t handle it as Governor of Alaska do you honestly think she would be able to if she is President?
Just remember, when Matula’s choice for the Republican Senatorial primary didn’t win; he voted for Harry Reid. Either he’s a quitter or a liar; neither is what I’d call a virtue.
Its called commitment and duty.
Declaring bankruptcy? So the state she was elected to serve would cover the costs? You are just plainly warped.
Leland,
I voted for who would best represent Nevada in the Senate. You got a problem with that? Or do you expect voters to all be party robots…
And BTW I always regarded Richard Nixon a quitter as well because he decided to cut and run when the going got rough rather than face impeachment. Seems he did good on his book deals as well 🙂
Curt,
Who discussed bankruptcy? Although I would have more respect for her if she had the sense of honor to do so rather then just cut and run.
Thomas, it may or not surprise you to learn that there is probably no one in this forum who gives a damn what you think about either the Tea Party or Sarah Palin (two topics that have nothing to do with the subject of this post). But we understand that in your compulsive obsession about them you will use any opportunity to troll with them.
I voted for who would best represent Nevada in the Senate. You got a problem with that?
So you’re a quitter. Interesting that you find something wrong with others being a quitter but have no problem being one yourself.
Rand,
Yes, they are beyond salvage in regards to the Tea Party, but hopefully many of lurkers are not.
And as a final note on duty, a quote to consider.
The basis of all morality is duty.
– Lt. Col. Jean V. Dubois (Ret.)
Robert Heinlein Starship Troopers
This is why the Tea Party is bankrupt as a movement and will fade from the scene, because the members, and their leaders, value placing self well before duty.
And that is the last I will post on this thread.
And he quits again.