And if it happens, even on a large scale, look for the same media that has been in an uproar for the past couple years over imagined violence at Tea Parties to minimize it, if they are unable to continue to ignore it.
[Update a while later]
Or of course, they won’t minimize it, but will instead maximize it and blame it on the “violent right-wing rhetoric.” Somehow.
Isn’t that some of the point in comparing the protests in Wisconsin to what is happening in Egypt, Greece, and the Middle East. Those comparisons are being made by the protestors themselves; while they consider themselves protesting against a dictator elected governor just a few months ago. Alas, we are watching what they claim to be Democracy in action; which it isn’t.
Well naturally if Walker hadn’t made them angry …
Expect a “blame the victim” defense by the MSM. Walker set them off; Beck fueled the fire; FOX News didn’t know when to shut up; they had it coming; etc.
I’m still waiting for the Gerrib’s of the world to tell the protestors, “it’s only a 5% tax on your income, get over it, and go home.” Hell, Obamacare has a 3.8% tax on investment income, and he spent much of his SOTU telling all of us about the need to invest to WTF. Those protestors need to go to DC and sleep in the White House.
Or justifying it. Violence may be unacceptable for others but in service to fighting honest, true evil (such as reducing the power of public unions at a state level a tiny bit) by people with honest and true intentions it may be perfectly fine.
They unions won’t get violent until the Tea Party is around. THEN, the unions will say they were just defending themselves from the evil, often KNOWN to be violent “Tea Baggers”.
And that is how the MSM will spin it too.
Regardless of how much or how little video exists (or already exists) to prove that the unions are the ones who are being and have been violent, the MSM will keep looking the other way as they have been looking the other way. That won’t stop.
Der Schtumpy:
Glenn Beck has been predicting exactly that for a couple of years now.
Rand, PLEASE regard what I have to say here.
Sorry, I accidentally submitted that last one.
Please, please understand that when Demoncrats use violence it helps them.
First, it excites their evil, drug-addicted, rape-happy base.
Second, it convinces women that Democrats are “bad boys” and thus worthy of their worship.
If Republicans are to turn back the otherwise inevitable endless hell of Communism, they need to meet violence with violence. Republicans are seen as rich wimpy stuffed shirts who won’t fight back.
Once again:
Republicans need to meet violence with violence.
Otherwise we will lose our guns, our families, and our nation–FOREVER.
You think women, in general, find those thugs worthy of worship? Loony women, maybe.
I’d sooner our stuffed shirts spent their time quietly tending to their firearms and ammo supply. IMHO, this is not the time to meet violence with violence.
I predicted civil war the moment Obama was elected, for the simple reason that you can’t have half the population ramming Communism down the other half’s throats without violence breaking out. No compromise is possible. Either we win or they win, period.
I don’t know when or how the war will start, but I am utterly convinced that it will happen.
Just look at how the media instantly and in lockstep blamed the Tea Party for the Tucson shootings. They lie without hesitation or shame. Goebbels would be proud. Yep, things are coming to a head, all right.
“Bring ’em on. I prefer a good, straight fight to all this sneaking around” — Han Solo
Be prepared for anything. Start nothing. Finish everything.
rickl,
when I started listening to GB I thought he was just looking for a fringe audience. THEN, I thought he was just lucky at guessing. NOW, I not only think he’s right, I fear he may actually be falling short of just how bad it could get!
I can tell you this, I moved out of the city, bought MORE guns, and started stocking up on food and anything I might need. I was already the neighborhood guy who was ready for most emergencies, now I’m the new guy in the way rural neighborhood who is HYPER ready.
Akatsukami,
you hit the nail, dead on the head.
@ken violence has no place in politics. That’s a dark road that leads to authoritarianism. It becomes irrelevant who has the better and more persuasive ideas, who has the law on their side, who has the public on their side. It becomes only relevant who has the thugs on their side. And that has always proven to be a slippery slope straight down into unspeakable human tragedy. Self-defense is necessary but don’t ever imagine that it’s a good idea to resort to violence to resolve political issues in a country where rule of law still holds.
And Ken wonders why he gets called a moby.
The only revolution should be at the ballot box.
Republicans just need a backbone. Indeed, Walker is demonstrating what should have been done in the 2000’s. He’s not reacting to Democrats, and he doesn’t need to react. The result: Democrats are fleeing the state. No violence was necessary to get them to leave.
Again, the problem with violent solutions is that you never know how that’s going to play out (i.e.: who lives and who dies). Regardless of how much the Dems are spoiling for a fight, one simply cannot give it to them on their own terms.
Hey moby, didn’t we tell you to go away? Little boys have no place in a serious, grownup conversation. Go back to setting your Barbies on fire.
wodun,
from your mouth, to God’s ears.
Perhaps the WI legislature ought to pass legislation allowing for Concealed Carry anywhere in the state. Permits will be issued on a must issue basis. The legislation ought to also allow for open carry anywhere in the state.
An armed society is a polite society – Heinlein, 1942.
Cheers –
in a country where rule of law still holds
Do we live in such a country? Law is a game to be played by some. Executive orders, rather than being used for there intended purpose, are now being used to go around the law.
Cheating can make the rule of law invalid. Taxpayer money going overwhelmingly to the evil party. Kids with no experience voting. The tipping point has been reached and beyond.
The bridge is out. The brakes are worn. The accelerator is nailed to the floor. The guy driving is (as Rummy might put it) a known unknown.
I have never been so scared for this country in my life. They can’t even cut $100B from spending that needs to be trimmed by $1.3T at a minimum. The interest on our debt is around $200B.
Venezuela is about to make the Cuban missile crisis seem like the good old days.
Public unions need to be outlawed but instead the best outcome would just slow down the destruction of the monster.
agimarc,
I used to think that line was just Heinlein hyperbole. BUT, it’s not. Since I got my CCH two years ago I rarely leave the house without my pistol. I leave it in the car during church, but other than that, I carry.
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I have a paddle holster that slips over my belt, and I usually wear a t-shirt that covers it up. In colder weather I tuck the shirt in on that side and my coat or sweatshirt covers it up. As I move around the shirt, coat or sweatshirt sometimes rides up and the pistol shows. Here in NC, open carry is legal, so it’s OK to do that.
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I can tell you, post all that set up, that I have noticed the difference in ATTITUDE of the general populace when they realize that I have a GUN ON MY HIP. There’s a difference in how they speak and act around me, in the same people, in the same given time span, same surroundings, if they don’t notice at first but THEN see the pistol later, politeness and even quiet sometimes breaks out.
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I’ll tell you what Is weird though.
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For every caucasian person male or female who realize that the bulge under my shirt is a gun, TEN African-Americans will make a comment, ask what caliber or even ask if I’m an under cover cop. And black females are in the majority there. It’s bizarre.
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ken is still a moby for suggesting that violence should be the answer to the current political madness we’re living.
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I carry to DEFEND myself and those around me. Guns should only be used by civilians as a response to trouble. The ballot box is how we do it in America, otherwise. OR we’d be like a Central American, 3rd World Country with constant over throws and coups, with lifestyles and incomes to match. In which case the mobys would just swim away and spout off elsewhere without getting involved.
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I’m completely uncertain how to play any of what I’ve thought concerning violence, IF the current WH crowd finds in their merry bag o’ socialist tricks, a way to shut down the next federal elections. (“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste”) My head and heart tell me THEY don’t have that kind of guts, MY guts tell me they do. So…
First rule of Karate…Karate for defense only.
Second rule of Karate…First learn rule number one.
-Miyagi Karate Kid II
Same for guns.
Getting my first gun actually made me more polite.
See, they do have manners — you’re just reminding them of why such things exist.
Of course. “My people” [/ericholder] are naturally friendly and extroverted. We love chattin up white folk. 🙂 FYI, if you were a black guy with a gun sticking out of your waist…you, uh, probably wouldn’t get the same kind of attention…
No, what’s bizarre is white people going to a concert and standing perfectly still. May I inquire as to what is up with that?
Related: Iowahawk is on fire regarding WI and NYT villiage idiot Krugman.
No, what’s bizarre is white people going to a concert and standing perfectly still. May I inquire as to what is up with that?
I like to sit. And listen. Probably was a useful life skill back when things liked to sneak in and eat a few people of the tribe.
I was expecting a more violent response by the theftists after last November’s election. I guess it’s taking awhile for it to sink through their thick skulls that their gravy train is going to be cut back.
The one rock concert I went to, there wasn’t room to do anything but stand still. Which was damned inconvenient when I needed to find a restroom.
When I came back I met with considerable resistance in trying to get back to my friends, but out on the margins the crowd was actually moving back and forth in waves, so I went along with the forward-moving waves, and let the backward-going waves slip past me.
Best moment of the concert, for me, was when a bunch of assholes who’d tried to hold me back realized I’d gotten past them closer to the stage, but they couldn’t reach me to do anything about it.
what’s bizarre is white people going to a concert and standing perfectly still
Titus, don’t tell me you never saw the bit with Eddie Murphey on the bus on SNL? Don’t you know white boys and girls get funky, can carry a beat and pass out the martinis when yer not lookin’?
I would prefer that all the violence be left to the Left. I read where they did several million dollar damage to the capital building. Tea Partiers picked up their trash in DC – left the place spotless.
Let’s keep it that way. Move away from the attackers; defend if you must. But the best way to discount the scurrilous accusations, against Tea Partiers, of violence and racial hatred is to continue to behave like ladies and gentlemen.
Sad how you folks are still discussing the Tea Party like it has a meaning or a future. Don’t you know that thanks to Wisconsin the Tea Party bubble is bursting?
http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/2011/03/04/the_wisconsin_endgame
Friday, Mar 4, 2011 17:42 ET
Wisconsin: The Tea Party’s Waterloo?
By Andrew Leonard
[[[The Washington Post’s Greg Sargent alerts us to a Wall Street Journal article and a local news item in Wisconsin suggesting that two more Republican state senators may be on the verge of rejecting Walker’s budget repair bill. Republicans have 19-14 majority in the state Senate, and with one senator already on record in opposition, two more nay votes will kill the bill.]]]
The American public are seeing in Wisconsin how the Tea Party will behave when in control and they don’t like what they are seeing. As a result by the 2012 elections the Tea Party will only be a bad memory. By then only a handful of the hard core will still be Tea Partiers while the majority will have moved on to the next political fad.
Thomas, it’s a bit unseemly how you root for the destruction of this country by union thugs. You are right that the future of this country depends on the spines of the American people.
Ken Anthony,
That attitude is exactly why the Tea Party is falling from favor, their constant reference to teachers, police, fire fighters, assembly line workers and the other skilled and professional workers that made American the great nation it was in the 20th Century and are the core of the middle class as “thugs”.
Successful governing requires both respect for others as well as a willingness to find common ground. That is what makes America different from all those foreign one-party dictatorships, the ability for those of different views to work together to find solutions, not have one party just dictate the laws, especially laws that take away long established rights, like the Tea Party governors are attempting to do. Wisconsin has given the nation a taste of what a Tea Party America would be like and the silent majority is now awaking up and saying they don’t like that kind of one party rule.
You know, the vast majority of Americans don’t have much patience for dictators, which is why polls, even Republican polls are running 2-1 against Governor Walker.
Thomas:
1. “One-party rule”? That only happened because the Democrat senators fled the state to avoid the democratic process.
2. The union protesters have a funny way of showing “respect” for the taxpayers.
3. THERE. IS. NO. MORE. MONEY.
Of course he links to the totally unbiased Salon.com to support his claim that the Tea Party is about to go out of style like pukka shells and pet rocks. FAIL.
“Successful governing requires both respect for others as well as a willingness to find common ground.”
“…the ability for those of different views to work together to find solutions, not have one party just dictate the laws…”
Where have you been the past two years? The above are standards leftists demand only Republicans meet. The Democrats showed respect by disallowing time for the reading/debate/amendment of bills they rammed through Congress (“we’ll have to pass the bill for you to find out what’s in it”), and continue to compare Republicans to Nazis, racists, fascists, ignoramuses, and cold-blooded killers.
Ken sez:
Oh, of course! What a silly Negro…
Then Spatula blathers:
You know the interesting thing about a taboo? It must have an element of truth, otherwise there’s no reason to suppress it. No one gets their panties in a wad the way you do over patently ridiculous ideas. Indeed, ideas which are genuinely meaningless and lacking any future are never argued on their own terms, let alone receive hyperlinked rebuttals. Sane people simply ignore ideas with no future, yet here you are again, arguing tirelessly over this thing you cannot shake yourself from…hmm…I wonder why…
+1 danea response to Matula. +1 again for the fact Matula voted for Harry Reid.
I wonder why…
I think it’s fear. The idea that people can spontaneously find a common cause, come together peacefully to voice that cause, and despite an overwhelmingly hostile media still get the message out, to the point it clearly is having an effect on the debate… That all has a wrongness about it that is so primal, he’s left with sputtering the same crap over and over again. His worldview is being seriously challenged, and that scares him.
Thomas, when I refer to thugs I am referring to thugs. I am not as you claim referring to those that are not thugs.
A willingness to find common ground is often a euphemism for abandoning principles. Integrity and honor have no common ground with that which doesn’t. It’s how we got into this mess in the first place.
Rather than going away, the tea party is just starting to get the boilers fired up. It is organized and growing despite attempts to falsely discredit it. People know we’re being bullied against our interests. People that aren’t tea party, like myself, view it very favorably even recognizing some of it’s shortcomings.
Public unions are clearly a violation of public trust. It’s not the only one, but one thing at a time… which done in parallel… the one track media doesn’t stand a chance.
One thing the tea party knows is how sinister the opposition is in making the rules of the game. They aren’t playing by those rules anymore. The media is only seeing the tippy tip of the iceberg.
Andrea,
Surely you don’t expect Fox News to announce their Tea Party bubble has burst do you? Of course they will be last to admit it, and then, announce its was because of a [fill in the blank] conspiracy.
Ken Anthony.
[[[Thomas, when I refer to thugs I am referring to thugs. I am not as you claim referring to those that are not thugs.]]]
Who do you think belongs to the police union? Gangsters?
Rickl,
[[[1. “One-party rule”? That only happened because the Democrat senators fled the state to avoid the democratic process.
2. The union protesters have a funny way of showing “respect” for the taxpayers.
3. THERE. IS. NO. MORE. MONEY.]]]
I see you have your Glen Beck talking points well.
But the fled because the Republicans are not interested in seeking common ground so its the only option they have to protect the rights of the citizens who work for the state. The Union protesters are Taxpayers so your second statement makes no sense. And there was plenty of money until Gov. Walker paid back his campaign debts by forcing through a huge tax cut for business. And the Unions already agreed to the cuts in their benefits, so its not a money issue, its a human rights issue.
Like all good dictators, once elected Walker manufactured a budget crisis to take control. A classic right wing tactic for taking the rights of the people away…
But go ahead, believe in the Tea Party, until they come to take your rights away on some excuse of other…
danae,
Ahh, the old one eye for a eye argument. You know to quote the Flash, “as Granny Flash used to say, you keep that up and before long no one has any eyes left…
Sorry, but Right Wing Dictators are as much against the American way of politics of Left Wing Dictators, and the voters will purge over time.
teachers, police, fire fighters, assembly line workers and the other skilled and professional workers that made American the great nation it was in the 20th Century
I thought it was illegal immigrants that made America great. You need to choose one theory and stick with it.
danae,
That should be…
Sorry, but Right Wing Dictators are as much against the American way of politics as Left Wing Dictators are, and the voters will purge both over time.
Curt,
Without immigration, illegal and legal, the U.S. economy would be as bad off as Japan’s is. Its part of the mix that made American great. But I guess its too complex for you and the Tea Party to understand you try to turn American back to simple times of the 19 Century USA when the national was mostly WASP and fire, police, teachers and other state jobs were basically patronage positions that changed with the party in power.
Thomas,
“back to simple times of the 19 Century USA when the national was mostly WASP and fire, police, teachers and other state jobs were basically patronage positions that changed with the party in power.”
And how has that changed, precisely? I’ll tell you – we used to be able to get rid of the previous party’s “patronage positions”, whereas now they are permanent. Do you really think that improves the situation? Do you instead think that patronage has disappeared?
Do you honestly believe politics play little to no role in the selection of the Chicago police chief, for example? Or is it that he just cannot be gotten rid of once the prevailing party inserts him?