Don’t hurt the burglars. I liked this comment:
Don’t leave bottles of brown-coloured bottles of pesticides in your shed – burglars might think you have left them some beer. Don’t leave a supply of bird nuts – burglars might get food poisoning – thinking you were leaving them some munchies to go with the previous item. Don’t put pitch forks in your sheds – burglars might stab themselves on them as they clamber through the window. Don’t put glass in the window frame – burglars might get a scratch followed by blood poisoning. Make sure there is adequate lighting – in case burglars accidentally step on a rake and whack themselves in the gob. Please provide an adequate seating arrangement – so that weary burglars can take a rest, before taking the rest of your stuff. A bucket is NO substitute for slopping out, sorry I mean going to the ‘boudoir’. Burglars expect a proper netty! Adequate toilet paper should be on supply AT ALL TIMES!
Somehow, Great Britain doesn’t seem so great any more.
What it is the problem with comprehensive work safety laws ?
I mean criminal have rights too !
Female American students at several universities in Britain were warned not to fight back if they were assaulted/raped. What we consider self-defense here: kicking them in the groin, etc could be considered assault there.
People have been convicted and given more jail time then the criminals.
Will sharia fix this or will the homeowner be convicted after the government cuts off the burglers hands?
I’m glad I live in a country, and far enough OUT in the country, where I can just shoot the bastards.
The Daily Mail is kind of a rag, sort of a mix between the Weekly World News and authoritarian right diatribe. I’m wondering if you have another source for that story, because it sounds quite true considering half the stories I’ve heard over here about self-defense laws but mainly so that I can provide a reliable source of left-wing friends of mine who’ll refuse to believe it. 😉
Well, they can’t sue you if they are dead. Better to fatally boobytrap your shed I guess.
I suggest a nice deep pit trap, preferably one that caves in on and covers the unlucky burglar. That way it will be harder for the neighbors to hear the screams. You’d hate to wake the neighbors.
That why I keep a short sword along with the .45 next to the bed. If the .45 isn’t necessary, I can be a good neighbor and take care of the problem without bangs waking the neighborhood. Just be sure to ambush and go for the neck, gurgling won’t carry though exterior walls.
This has nothing to do with defending the safety of criminals and everything to do with defending the protection racket that the police have a tendency to be. Police wish to maintain their monopoly on policing criminals, it is their power base and they jealously guard their authority, especially when they lack it – mostly people just ignore them. This problem used to be much worse in times gone by when police tended to be more corrupt. My mother, as a young mother in Sydney nearly 40 years ago, got threatened with assault by the police after chasing a burglar who had invaded her home with an umbrella. The police officer was just defending his patch, his power base. My mother felt very unsafe and my parents moved back to New Zealand soon after. Police have a vested interest in looking after and growing their criminal base – empire building.
“Well, they can’t sue you if they are dead. Better to fatally boobytrap your shed I guess.”
Ryan, perhaps you’re being facetious, but I question the validity of your remark (with which I sympathize). The problem is relatives/family of the perp will sue on the perp’s behalf (and of course to enhance their own payout).
Several years ago, following the infamous North Hollywood Shootout, in which a pair of bank robbers wearing full suits of body armor, and wielding fully automatic weapons , terrorized a residential neighborhod before they were finally brought down by multiple SWAT teams, some relatives of one of the robbers sued the LAPD and the city of North Hollywood because of their delay in tending to his (ultimately) fatal wounds; after all, the wounds of the police and innocent passers-by had been treated first by the medics, before they got around to the perps.
That is another reason why you don’t want to wake the neighbors Bruce. If the only people that knew the crook came to your house that night are you and the fertilizer under your flowerbed…
We had a case similar to the one you mentioned here in NM a few years back, a former marine killed a lowlife trying to rob his house and possibly assault him after the marine tried to citizens arrest the perp. The marine was thrown in jail for months, and I think was forced to pay restitution to the widow and spawn of the lowlife (now that their daddy wasn’t around to bring home other people’s bacon).
I think his sentence was commuted after 6 months or something in jail after tons of public uproar. He moved back to Texas immediately after. What he deserved was pats on the back, free drinks, and a nice award from the local police and mayor for being a self-sufficient, prepared and upstanding citizen willing to risk his life to protect his family from a monster, and for the associated benefit that monster’s destruction provided the community.
Unfortunately he had to use his gun. People heard. He also tried to do things the nice way, by attempting to hold the guy at gunpoint and wait for the cops to show to turn over custody, who he had his wife call, oops. Fat lot of good that did him.
One thing about these cases that I don’t understand is how the family members of the dead monster that blather about being entitled to the victims wealth aren’t charged as accomplices, or for conspiring to commit a felony or something. They obviously knew about the illegal behavior and condoned it, if not encouraged it. Hell, they took part in enjoying the ill gotten goods and are trying to finagle more through the legal system.
This whole topic makes me angry sad, because I know how necessary objective control of the use of force is. Any homicide needs to be verified as legitimate self-defense or prosecuted as murder by an objective judiciary. When the state and its officers attempt to destroy those that do use force legitimately because they want to maintain a complete monopoly on its use (hence the harping on ‘vigilantism’), it creates the incentive to take care of your problems extra-legally, like I and others have mentioned. The objective control of the use of force is subverted. That path is warlordism, anarchy, and slavery.
Speaking of the North Hollywood shooters, weren’t their fatal wounds self inflicted? I thought I remembered they shot themselves in the head when it became obvious they weren’t going to get away.
Or maybe it was just one of the guys. In any case, medics should be kept away from people like that. They are under no obligation to risk their own life to tend to that of others. That they are willing to risk as much as they do does not make anyone entitled to their services. Besides, one of the best methods to quickly cure monstrosity is high-velocity pills, injected from range into the CNS. Family members should be grateful the monsters got the medicine they deserved, before more innocents were hurt.
This whole topic makes me angry sad
Yes. The sad part is, the anger is not mostly toward the criminal.
One did, I think after a cop shot one of his weapons out of his hand.
The other took a police round or twelve in the leg and was effectively in custody as he bled out.
Ryan,
I think the phrase you are looking for is: “Shoot, Shovel and Shut Up” aka the three ‘S’es.
S^3, don’t forget the blue ribbon for the rose bushes from the local whatchamacallit.
Depending on where you live, you have to make the choice of the right method to use against the “perp.”
In the midwest you shoot to kill, wound or maime, then you drag the body back inside the home and make sure that is where the chalk outline can be drawn.
In Az you have usually one exceptional option. You make sure you use an ergonomically designed shovel to save you a back ache later. (coyotes, javelinas, and other helpful scavengers can often add an assist)
Re: digging holes in deserts. Be sure to set up a canopy first. Satellites are looking everywhere these days.
Classic Anarcho-Tyranny.
When I wrote about this little brouhaha, I linked to the Telegraph story:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/outdoors/8318985/Shed-owners-warned-wire-on-windows-could-hurt-burglars.html