I wouldn’t be shocked if it turned out that the president was born overseas and his enablers have been covering it up (because their behavior certainly matches that theory), but Neil Abercrombie apparently was. I thought it was pretty strange that he decided to raise the issue again, after the political class had declared it dead, but obviously he really believed it. No way it goes away now.
[Update a while later]
For those who don’t understand the implications of this, Neil Abercrombie, self-declared boyhood friend of Barack (“Barry” at the time) Obama, and new governor of the state of Hawai’, declared war on the “birthers” last month, saying that he was going to release the document and put all of the rumors to rest:
Abercrombie said he was going to work with the attorney general of Hawaii to release additional documentation of Obama’s birth on Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.
In other words, he has both the motivation and power to find that document, if it exists. What this radio interview indicates is that he has not been able to find it, and that his faith is shaken. I’ve always assumed that the reason they were hiding the document was that it had something politically embarrassing on it (e.g., that his religion was stated as “Muslim” or that Barack Obama was not listed as the father). But now I’m starting to wonder myself where he was really born.
Meh, I predict that there’s no problem with Obama’s birth certificate. It would make sense to keep stonewalling on it if that were the case, because if it actually blows up into a serious issue then they can milk as much as possible and then bust out the evidence and have a good gloat. Meanwhile, everyone is distracted from any real issues that might be going on, it’s win/win.
IIRC, there was a “second amendment solution” for “Tsar Dmitriy.”
I have always been suspicious, but at one point Hillary was seeking the nomination. If anything, I believe that if there was anything about Obama’s birth that would have disqualified him for the Presidency then she and Bill and their squads would have found and exposed it.
I always figured that Obama keeps the whole issue alive simply as a means to keep a certain percentage of those who oppose him distracted from something more legitimate.
SQUIRREL!
This is going to be a real issue for Obama in ’12. Most people, including myself, have considered the “birthers” to be as psychotic as the 9-11 “truthers” and have, therefor, given Obama the benefit of the doubt.
If Abercrombie, who is a huge “fan” of Obama, has used his influence as Hawaii governor to end the “birther” controversy once and for all and ends up not finding the birth certificate at all, there are going to be some people like myself who are going to start thinking that the “birthers” might not be so loopy after all and actually have a point. At minimum, this is going to erode Obama’s ability to move legislation through congress.
What Abercrombie actually said was I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.
(Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)
It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down …
Regarding the issue at hand, snopes has the details, as usual, including a discussion from the obstetrician who delivered him.
I agree with kurt, never paid this much attention until the Governor started flapping his gums about it, now he has gone quiet and is hiding behind the law. If he is such good friends with Obama, Obama can tell him to release the data.
I don’t really care except that if this low probability event does indeed turn out to be true then the democrat party will be destroyed.
I don’t really care except that if this low probability event does indeed turn out to be true then the democrat party will be destroyed.
You say that like it would be a bad thing. 😉
On the other hand, if there is truth to Obama not being born in the U.S., is it not likely that the Clintons would have dug this up and used it against him during the ’08 campaign. The Clintons did every other dirty trick in the book in an attempt to steal the nomination. I see no reason why they would not have resorted to this if there was any reality to it.
Barack was born in 1959, I think. It is possible that some births were still done by mid-wives outside of hospitals at that time, especially in a place like Hawaii. Barack’s mother was of an ideological orientation such that she may have rejected hospitals for a “more natural” birth experience. This seem plausible to me.
On the other hand, if there is truth to Obama not being born in the U.S., is it not likely that the Clintons would have dug this up and used it against him during the ’08 campaign.
IIRC, they were the first to raise the issue. I’m sure they would’ve done more with it if they could’ve found any evidence. On the other hand, if the governor couldn’t find the document, what chances did the Clintons have of finding it?
The Clintons did every other dirty trick in the book in an attempt to steal the nomination. I see no reason why they would not have resorted to this if there was any reality to it.
Trying to win the nomination isn’t the same as trying to steal it, just as preventing a theft of an election isn’t stealing an election.
It doesn’t matter. His mom was an American citizen, making him a natural born American by the most common understanding.
I’m one of those people who believe there is a nugget of truth in all myth. In this case, the longer the birth cert remains out of sight, the bigger that nugget gets.
And to those who say it does exist, and he just doesn’t want to show it, where, oh where, is the UP side to NOT showing it? I’ve yet to find a liberal with an decent answer to that one.
Der Schtumpy – Except he released his birth certificate. The birther lawsuits, if you actually look at them, are really fishing expeditions asking for every record under the sun, including stuff like foreign passports which don’t exist.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole place-of-birth issue was started by the Clintons (or someone close to them) in the first place. However, given the media’s diligence in investigating everything about past candidates such as George W. Bush, one would think that the very first document on the checklist would be that birth certificate, followed by his grades in school. Who had a higher GPA, Obama or McCain? None of it was reported by the mainstream media that I can recall. The only reason this comes up is that the media didn’t bother to do their job two and a half years ago.
If it does turn out that Obama wasn’t born in America, then hell, you might as well let Schwarzenegger run things.
He can’t find it.
@Larry, Indeed, the Clintons were the ones to raise it – let’s not forget that the original “birthers” were Hillary supporters in the primary.
I was not aware that the Clintons were the first to make an issue out of this. I started hearing about it after Obama was elected.
Wrongo Wittington, the law has some out of the country and back in the country time limits associated with Stanley’s age and time out of the country that block her ability to convey natural born status on him just by the fact she’s his mom. Google it.
As ‘native-born citizenship’ is one of the very few requirements for presidency, Barry Obama has no actual right to withold his birth certificate.
And remember that’s exactly what’s happening here… Barry could’ve put the whole issue to rest at any time since 2008, simply by ordering his own birth certificate released.
Why might that be, Barry? Come to think about it, where are your college transcripts?
i’m with the hillbuzz boys. precedent Barry Soetoro
never legally changed his name back to barack obama.
http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/23/hawaii-ground-report-could-hawaiian-governor-neil-abercrombie-not-be-as-incompetent-and-foolish-as-he-appears-but-orchestrating-a-deliberate-birth-certificate-recovery-dead-end-to-cover-his-own-pap/
The latest two theories I’ve read are:
1) From a hillbuzz.org article by :Kevin Dujan:
One cannot find a BHO birth certificate because
the Birth Certificate shows his name as Barry Soetoro.
The alleged “facts” are:
* Obama was indeed born in Hawaii in 1961
* Obama was indeed adopted by Lolo Soetoro in the 1970s
* Obama’s name was indeed changed to Barry Soetoro in the 1970s
* Obama’s birth certificate was altered per Hawaiian law to reflect his new name in the 1970s
* Obama never changed his name back to “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” —
And then some conjecture:
most likely because he used “Barry Soetoro” on all of his student aid applications for college, and probably received foreign student grants and admissions assistance playing off his years living in Indonesia
* All the records, transcripts, documents, and paperwork Obama continues to hide from the public is all hidden because it lists his name as “Barry Soetoro” on all of it.
* Obama will not allow his birth certificate to be released because it lists the “wrong” name on it: Barry Soetoro
2) Analysis of dates of when his father was at Harvard vs Hawaii show that some statements, regarding living with his father, made in BO’s auto-bio could not have happened. So all he’s covering up here are a few literary fabrications.
There’s an American Thinker article, by Jack Cashill (humping his book), on this:
“There are clues in Dreams, however, which suggest that Obama was creating a fiction for future use that he already knew to be untrue. He tells of coming across an article from the Honolulu Advertiser celebrating Barack Obama, Sr.’s planned grand tour of mainland universities on his triumphant way to Harvard.
Obama writes ruefully in Dreams, “No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure.” What Obama does not mention is that the article was dated June 22, 1962.
Obama was reportedly born on August 4, 1961. He was not yet a year old at the time Obama Sr. left Hawaii for good. More to the point, Obama fails to mention that he and his mother, Ann Dunham, were living in Seattle at the time and had been since at least August 19, 1961, the day she enrolled at the University of Washington.
In short, the family never lived together. There was no Obama family. The Obama camp surely knew this by the time he ran for president, but Obama kept dissembling about his origins nonetheless…..
….These problems derive from the fact that Ann Dunham enrolled at university on August 19, 1961 and returned to Hawaii only after Obama Sr. had left Hawaii for good. Both of these facts are more firmly established than President Obama’s Honolulu birth on August 4, 1961. ”
Both of these explanations are less serious than a birthplace/citizenship issue.
Don’t forget that the Community-Organizer-in-Chief also refuses to allow anyone to release anything to do with His academic career. Why? Because we’d find out that Barry Soetero claimed to be Indonesian or Kenyan or Martian or else participated insome other “affirmative action” scam that, while the statute of limitations may be long expired, would show Him to be a liar going all the way back to then. (At which point He might as well change His name to “Nixon.”)
Actually my money is with Jiminator’s theory:
It costs BO nothing to keep the info hidden except maybe some legal fees. But this way he can bank on the public’s tendency to spin conspiracy theories when someone doesn’t answer a question.
Maybe he even got Ambercrombie to go through the motions just to keep the spinning up to speed (a conspiracy theory in and of itself).
That way his self-proclaimed enemies look like foaming at the mouth birther nuts and attention is deflected from far more important things.
I believe that if there was anything about Obama’s birth that would have disqualified him for the Presidency then she and Bill and their squads would have found and exposed it.
Which is really difficult to do since there is no BC. As pointed out, even if born in Hawaii (four days old, it’s a miracle) he loses his status in the Philippines. Since his mother, nine months pregnant, could not fly in 1961 how did she get from Kenya to one of the two hospitals in Hawaii where he is claimed to have been born? What paperwork we do have, including birth announcements in the paper, just mean his mother or his grandparents wanted him to have citizenship by hook or crook and are not official records.
We know there is no BC because a COLB is only issued when a BC does not exist (because of not being born in the hospital as claimed.) The records just reflect what the authorities were told and that there was a baby to account for.
The COLB isn’t a forgery. It just reflects the note in the records that lies that he was born at the address of his grandparents house in Hawaii. So much for Snopes.
It costs BO nothing to keep the info hidden except maybe some legal fees.
This is the strongest proof of all. Would you spend millions instead of ten dollars if the DMV wanted to see your BC?
There is no info on a BC that the media couldn’t saved BS (Barry S.) from.
“When Evans spoke to Abercrombie on January 19, Abercrombie reportedly told him that he searched the relevant Hawaii hospitals using his powers as governor, and concluded, according to Evans, “There is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii, absolutely no proof at all that Obama was born in Hawaii.” After Abercrombie made such a fuss about finding the birth certificate, Evans concluded of his friend that he has “got some egg in the face.” ”
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/friend_says_abercrombie_to_him.html
I think there’s definitely something to the birth certificate controversy, but the time to make a big deal of it was before he was elected. He never should have been allowed on the ballot in the first place without producing it, but that horse has already left the barn. Now I’m afraid that if people make an issue of it before the next election, he might release it or an expert forgery, which would make the questioners look silly. In short, I worry that it might be an elaborate ruse.
At any rate, this is kind of a side issue by now compared to the real damage he has done and is doing to the country. And I echo earlier commenters in being more interested in why his college transcripts are still sealed.
Does anybody think the media would have let any Republican candidate get away with this? They would be asking 24/7, “What is he trying to hide?” Has there ever been a President in American history with such a mysterious background?
“he might release it or an expert forgery, which would make the questioners look silly. In short, I worry that it might be an elaborate ruse.”
let’s see his college application and transcripts. keep demanding information from the most “transparent” administration ever.
…there were Three Estates in Parliament; but, in the Reporters’ Gallery yonder, there sat a Fourth Estate more important far than they all.
The real tragedy is that our founders knew how important the media is to keeping our country whole, but they’ve abdicated their role.
(Yes, I know the quote is British.)
/spit-take
rickl, you are quite the card.
Hrmmm….
I do find it weird that the HI Gov did this, and then did such an about-face.
I’ve always been a “namer” on the “birther” issue: my theory was that his name on the certificate is “Barry”, not “Barrack”, and he has to hide that due to the big deal he’s always made of his name. (especially in his books). In other words, he’s hiding something, but something legally meaningless.
His parents were never legally married; his father already had a wife in Kenya, so the US marraige was void. This is known, so I don’t see “father unknown” being an issue.
Now, thanks to the Governor, I’m beginning to wonder if the birthers might have a point after all. I’ve never seen any indication that Obama’s mother has ever visited Kenya… but, why Kenya? I think the birthers might be barking up the wrong tree with that one.
Why assume Kenya? There is a far more likely candidate. The Durham family (Obama’s mother) was from the Seattle area, and hadn’t been in Hawaii long when he was born. So, they still had strong roots, and probably relatives, in Seattle.
Would it be plausible that Obama’s mother might have gone “home” to the Seattle area (she is believed to have known by that time that her marriage was a sham) and then crossed the Canadian border to partake of their free healthcare for the birth?
The shenanigans over a Hawaiian registration are easily explained; the family may have had sound concerns over custody, and would have realized that having the baby as an American might help in a custody battle.
Just speculation on my part, but that HI Gov sure did get a lot of people thinking. 🙂
We should all send the HI Gov a nice birthday card, don’tcha think?
It’s a trap. As mentioned above, the time to investigate any birth certificate issue was before the election, not after. Keeping the issue alive through 2012 only serves to help Obama. Apparently, no one really knows what is on the birth certificate. Without such knowledge the potential for bad unintended consequences (ie. helping get Obama re-elected) are enormous.
Stupid is contagious. Rand, seriously, stop acting like a “conservative”.. at some point you might have to admit you’ve become one.
Trent, ya stepped in it. I’m getting my popcorn ready.
Except he didn’t — he released a certificate of live birth, a document created after the fact.
I’m on record as hypothesizing that the actual birth certificate (which probably existed at one time) listed him as Barry Dunham, father unknown.
My parents concealed (didn’t take much, I was young) my birth certificate from me for years, until it had to be produced for another government department. When I at last saw it, I discovered many strange items on it, including that it wasn’t issued until two years after I was born. My birth certificate is a official phony, issued to conceal my true parents: I was adopted.
What is the President concealing? Perhaps nothing, but the circumstances are suspicious, as are “no controlling legal authority” for vetting that a candidate meets the Constitutional requirements for running for office: apparently the candidate’s word is enough. As of today, Rahm Emmanual learned swearing you’re really from Chicago isn’t enough. Proof is demanded.
Keeping the issue alive through 2012 only serves to help Obama.
Until it doesn’t. Since the BC doesn’t exist, that’s a dead trail. But records of his college years do exist. It only takes one investigative reporter to come up with one controversial piece of information. Afterwhich, many may start to wonder if perhaps the ‘birthers’ might have something. It’s already happening thanks to this HI Gov.
Journalists may all want to give their guy the benefit of doubt, but with new doubts some might surprise us all by doing some real investigation.
Every state can consider laws, as some already have, requiring the candidates to show a BC (not a COLB) next election. If enough of them do, how does Obama get reelected? Not a high probability, but not zero.
Interesting.
Anybody who saw him throw out that first pitch to start the baseball season knows why he hides his birth certificate. He is really a she.
Well, let this whole thing be a lesson to us: next time another kewl, multicultural, “I spent most of my childhood in a neat foreign country not some boring American suburb” part-foreign candidate pops up, make him produce his goddamn American birth certificate, and NOT a COLB either. You’ll have to fight the likes of Obama’s SWPL fans, who think that foreigners, any of them, are soooo much more interesting than their dull fellow citizens (really, spend some time in a gathering of SWPL folk without speaking, then utter something in a British accent, and watch their eyes light up), but them’s the breaks.
Maybe Obama is a Cylon. I never finished the second season — did they discover all 6 models?
And with that, Carl wins the thread. Game over.
What Robin said.
(And contra others, I wouldn’t take WND-sole-sourced reports as worth the pixels they use. Not just on this subject, in fact.)
The idea that the President’s “overseas birth” was hidden at the time doesn’t pass the smell test, because the motive is incomprehensible.
He would, after all, be an American citizen without any question, as his mother was undoubtedly an American, and resided in the United States continually for over 10 years before his birth.
The only reason to “fake” his being born in the US would be to let him eventually be President, which is absolutely fucking insane as a motivation relative to a newborn.
(I’ve seen scans of the birth announcement in the local Hawaiian paper; again, why fake that? There’s no reason to, in 1961, for a newborn.)
That’s a weak argument — Obama isn’t spending millions of dollar of his money. He’s spending other people’s money to benefit his (lawyer) cronies. And if there’s one thing Obama does well, it’s that. I fall in to the “brand damaging but legally irrelevant” faction, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find it’s all about laundering campaign contributions for his Chicago backers.
He would, after all, be an American citizen without any question, as his mother was undoubtedly an American, and resided in the United States continually for over 10 years before his birth.
I understand that not to be true since I’ve read his mother was not old enough at the time to give BHO(BS) citizenship. If that’s the case, your argument that ‘The only reason to “fake”…’ completely falls apart.
The was no reason to ‘fake’ the birth announcement. It was standard practice at the time when the parents claimed a home birth, by indirect mechanism, it became a birth announcement. In other words, the parents did not directly make the birth announcement. It just occurred as part of standard practice.
You are absolutely correct annoying old guy (is that why you’re annoying ;)) it’s not his money. I wasn’t thinking as a narcissist.
There is one indisputable fact (thanks to the HI Gov) as the title says, “There is no BC” which means he was not born in either hospital in HI.
No amount of smoke and mirrors changes that. So what’s the truth? Was he born in his grandparents home or four days earlier in Kenya as other witnesses say? Did his mother travel by air nine months pregnant when it wasn’t allowed at the time?
The birth certificate probably exists, but they’re keeping it under wraps because it lists him as a muslim. They don’t want the muslims to grab him and cut off his head for ‘converting’ to christianity, so they keep trying to muddy the waters about when he rejected islam in favor of a bizarre afro-centric religion loosely based on christianity.
Why would Obama’s BC list his religion when no other BC does?
I’ve linked back to you here: http://consul-at-arms2.blogspot.com/2011/01/re-there-is-no-birth-certificate-in.html