…win a debate at Oxford Union on climate change:
Lord Monckton, a former science advisor to Margaret Thatcher during her years as Prime Minister of the UK, concluded the case for the proposition. He drew immediate laughter and cheers when he described himself as “Christopher Walter, Third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, scholar, philanthropist, wit, man about town, and former chairman of the Wines and Spirits Committee of this honourable Society”. At that point his cummerbund came undone. He held it up to the audience and said, “If I asked this House how long this cummerbund is, you might telephone around all the manufacturers and ask them how many cummerbunds they made, and how long each type of cummerbund was, and put the data into a computer model run by a zitty teenager eating too many doughnuts, and the computer would make an expensive guess. Or you could take a tape-measure and” – glaring at the opposition across the despatch-box – “measure it!” [cheers].
Lord Monckton said that real-world measurements, as opposed to models, showed that the warming effect of CO2 was a tiny fraction of the estimates peddled by the UN’s climate panel. He said that he would take his lead from Lord Lawson, however, in concentrating on the economics rather than the science. He glared at the opposition again and demanded whether, since they had declared themselves to be so worried about “global warming”, they would care to tell him – to two places of decimals and one standard deviation – the UN’s central estimate of the “global warming” that might result from a doubling of atmospheric CO2 concentration. The opposition were unable to reply. Lord Monckton told them the answer was 3.26 plus or minus 0.69 Kelvin or Celsius degrees. An Hon. Member interrupted: “And your reference is?” Lord Monckton replied: “IPCC, 2007, chapter 10, box 10.2.” [cheers]. He concluded that shutting down the entire global economy for a whole year, with all the death, destruction, disaster, disease and distress that that would cause, would forestall just 4.7 ln(390/388) = 0.024 Kelvin or Celsius degrees of “global warming”, so that total economic shutdown for 41 years would prevent just 1 K of warming. Adaptation as and if necessary would be orders of magnitude cheaper and more cost-effective.
Mr. Mike Mason, founder and managing director of “Climate Care”, concluded for the opposition. He said that the proposition were peculiar people, and that Lord Monckton was more peculiar than most, in that he was not a real Lord. Lord Monckton, on a point of order, told Mr. Mason that the proposition had avoided personalities and that if Mr. Mason were unable to argue other than ad hominem he should “get out”. [cheers] Mr. Mason then said that we had to prepare for climate risks [yes, in both directions, towards cooler as well as warmer]; and that there was a “scientific consensus” [but he offered no evidence for the existence of any such consensus, still less for the notion that science is done by consensus].
As usual, the opponents employed the logically flawed precautionary principle.
I think that the tide has really turned on this nonsense, at least over the Pond, if not quite hear yet. That may have to wait until November.
Speaking of which, there was an awful story on ABC Sunday night, where the focus was on death threats to climate scientists. Note that they make no mention of the threats against climate skeptics in the emails. And they set up a straw man, when they say there’s a “conspiracy” to foist a “hoax” on the world on the part of the scientists. Yes, some people have made such allegations, but that’s not the point. I’m willing to believe that most climate scientists are sincere in their beliefs. The problem is that they drink too much of their own bathwater, and suffer too much from confirmation bias. Not to mention that it’s difficult to get funded if you don’t hew to the party line. But that kind of story wouldn’t accomplish ABC’s purpose — to present the noble scientists trying to save us from ourselves as victims of conspiracy mongers.
Amen. Although, having recently spent time in the UK and subsequently closely following the elections there, it’s my estimation that the gig’s actually up on the nonsense here way more than there. Most of the UK public, as I observed and as evidenced by the manifestos of the three leading parties discussed in the televised debates, point to brainwashed masses who take AGW as decided fact, ongoing debate be darned.
In truth, I don’t think AGW ever had as tight a grip on the public imagination here in the States as it has over there to begin with, not so much because of shaky “science”, but because of the sacrifices prescribed as a remedy being more austere than the individualist American public could ever really buy into. Even if the science had been solid, I believe one could have convinced the majority of the American public to doubt the illness based solely on the bitter taste of the medicine.
In truth, I don’t think AGW ever had as tight a grip on the public imagination here in the States as it has over there to begin with, not so much because of shaky “science”, but because of the sacrifices prescribed as a remedy being more austere than the individualist American public could ever really buy into. Even if the science had been solid, I believe one could have convinced the majority of the American public to doubt the illness based solely on the bitter taste of the medicine.
You have a reason you believe this? Given that Americans have bought into all sorts of dubious sacrifices (recycling, airport security, etc), I have to disagree.
I’ve always felt that science is self correcting (even if it takes centuries) but journalists are not. We really need to focus on marginalizing the idiots. Not the people that make an occasional gaff. I’m talking about those with an idiot agenda… like destroying the economy which is required to deal with any real threats.
@ken — Not saying we haven’t swallowed a lot, just saying it’s not near as bad over here where we still value the individual than it is over there, where groupthink and the nanny state are irrevocably entrenched. Remember, these are people who have had a monarch for most of recorded history. They’re way more predisposed to accepting elitist diktat than we are.
Sorry, I meant @Karl, not @ken.
Yeah, we’re often confused… I’m the fat guy (still, after losing 150 lbs.)
…or should I say, I’m often confused. Karl seems to know what he’s talking about usually.
🙂
It’s great ot see a debate about climate change. Generally the alarmists do not accept invitations to debate because experience has taught them that they seldom win. Lord Monckton was made for this sort of thing. I could not imagine taking on Lord Monckton in a climate change debate, it would be like bringing a knife to a gunfight.
They do not bring knives, nor even a fork, but a spoon.
A plastic spork.
Funny thing, you not reporting on what the debate resolution actually was…
Go ahead, it’s an interesting one.
Here’s the fun bit – I agree with the resolution as formulated. I’m pretty sure I could find you a LOT of people who believe in ACC who’d agree with it too.
That’s the fun thing about debates – especially if the people running the debate get to frame the resolution.
DavePOSon,
I can find a LOT who wouldn’t agree, plenty of them in the White House. Funny thing, the UN was pushing the opposition position for years.