20 thoughts on “Dizzy In The No-Spin Zone”

  2. Maybe he doesn’t know the IRS is the enforcement arm, because he didn’t read it. Most of them didn’t!!

  3. Ultimately this good be a good thing in kicking some sense into the sheeple who still think ObamaCare is a good thing and Obama a decent guy. In my experience, nothing turns “liberals” into libertarians faster than an encounter with the IRS.

  4. I just don’t get why he won’t say that the IRS is the enforcement agency when is clearly says in the bill on page 345 that failure to comply will be dealt with through the Internal Revenue Services.

    Rep. Weiner would make a perfect character in a 1984 remake.

    He just needs to make certain to educate all the IRS agents that when they slap the cuffs on you for failure to comply and pay that they remind you, “You’re not be criminalized….” *click–click

  5. Rep. Weiner would make a perfect character in a 1984 remake.

    You’re soaking in it!

  6. The amazing thing is here in Phoenix I keep running in Obama fanatics including in my own family. I mentioned in a grocery line that we might start to fix this next November one guy went wild and actually ran away when I tried to explain myself. I asked my cousin if she thought the bill they just passed was a good thing and she literally ran away saying,”I don’t want to talk about it.”

    You just can’t have a casual conversation these days. 😉

    Will the IRS enforcement start before the 2012 election?

  7. You’re soaking in it!

    I never knew socialism could leave my soul feeling so fresh and smooth and clean out my bank account so quick. It’s maaaavelous!

  8. What an amazing lying sack of sheeeiit. The part at the end where he pretends to be exasperated and complains about “debunking” reminds me that we’re at the awkward stage where it’s too late for words, too early for rifles.

  9. Will the IRS enforcement start before the 2012 election?

    The mandate does not kick in until 2014.

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  12. The IRS enforcement will show the sheeple the truth of Nock’s dictum that “what the State can do for you is only in proportion to what the State can do to you.” Carrot, meet stick.

  13. The JCT analysis:

    The penalty is assessed through the Code and accounted for as an additional amount of Federal tax owed. However, it is not subject to the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code. The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner.

    So there’s a “penalty”, but there’s no enforcement in the law.

    How much would you like to bet the IRS follows the law? ha ha

  14. Previously I suggested that Jonah Goldberg put out a post-inauguration “Hope and Change” edition of LIBERAL FASCISM, with maybe an appendix titled “The Rise of Il Dufe.” I’ve also thought that we greatly need an update edition of this book

    http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Rights-Destruction-American-Liberty/dp/0312123337/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269612928&sr=1-1

    but maybe Bovard should wait a while. A few years under ObamaCare and whatever new power-grab the Thugocracy comes up with next should provide Bovard with a lot more horror stories.

  15. Previously I suggested that Jonah Goldberg put out a post-inauguration “Hope and Change” edition of LIBERAL FASCISM, with maybe an appendix titled “The Rise of Il Dufe.”

    He did. The paperback edition has such an update. He discusses the new afterword, and other things, at the final post of the Liberal Fascism blog.

  16. Thanks, Rand. I read LIBERAL FASCISM post-election , and as I was reading it, even tho’ it was clear Goldberg had written much of it with the Clintonistas in mind, I kept thinking, “This sounds like Obama.” Particularly the Cult of Personality, the “this is the moment” rhetoric, and the let-no-crisis-go-to-waste tactics. The fact that BO is constantly being photographed or televised with that head-tilted-back, jut-jawed Mussolini pose only added to the scariness.

    What’s amazing is to realize that Bovard’s LOST RIGHTS was written in Clinton’s first time. Despite all the horror stories of Jackboots Janet (the Rosa Klebb of the Clinton Administration) and other subverters of liberty, it shows you how far along we’ve gone down the Road to Serfdom when the Clinton Era looks like the Golden Age of Liberty by comparison.

  17. Congressman Weiner really comes across as a duffus in the video. Perhaps he really does not know about the enforcement of the mandate because he has not actually read the bill. More likely, he is aware of this issue and simply does not want to talk about it.

    It is true that the usually IRS tactics of liens and penalties cannot be used to enforce the health care mandate. However, they would still keep records of who is compliant and who is not and probably choose to audit annually those who are not. So, yes, there will be IRS enforcement of the health care mandate.

  18. It is amazing the amount of semantics that Rep Weiner (and many other supporters of this bill) will use to try to show that the US government isn’t using the IRS. Rep Weiner likened the punishment to the enforcement of traffic or littering offenses and asked who enforces them. Even the quote above by Titus:

    The penalty is assessed through the Code and accounted for as an additional amount of Federal tax owed. However, it is not subject to the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code. The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner.

    plays the same game.

    Yes, technically, the IRS does not act as the enforcement arm of this bill; local, state, and federal Law Enforcement will perform this duty. This is how it works with ALL tax enforcement. The IRS is the arm of the government who ‘determines’ who should be arrested. The officers with guns do the actual arresting (or, as the saying goes: “A rose, by any other name, still smells as sweet (or acrid, in this situation).”

  19. I agree with kurt9. Also, what’s to stop the IRS from simply deducting what you “owe” from any normal refund? Sure, they can’t seize your house, but they can still hold back, no?

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