Details here. I’m sure that the howls from the left will start any minute.
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Details here. I’m sure that the howls from the left will start any minute.
[Crickets chirping]
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It was in the NYT as well. But the key is Obama pledges to closely monitor their treatment to ensure that they are not tortured, That makes it alright apparently, so don’t expect any sequels to the Hollywood blockbusters from last summer.
From what Obama says to what he actually does continues to be astounding. You can imagine him saying that he will closely watch to insure that no torture occurs while sitting there flaying the skin off a victim with a blow torch. As an aide slowly pulls the blow torch from his hands, “No, no Mr. President, that technique is from the Al Qaeda training manual. We loudly play ‘Shout At the Devil’ through a Fischer Price stereo set.” “Let me be clear, we will only torture our terrorists through the finest of stereo gear. Someone get me a Blaupunkt, stat!”
Since you don’t like crickets, I’ll jump in.
1) You will note that Raymond Azar was transported to the US, put in a civilian jail and given a civilian lawyer.
2) His co-defendant is not making the same allegations, despite having made the same trip. So we’re not for sure that things happened as Azar said they did. In the CIA torture cases, CIA employees were the ones telling us what happened.
3) Even if we accept Azar’s claims at face value, he was not waterboarded, beaten, threatened with a power drill, or otherwise forced to provide information.
4) This is the problem with allowing legalized torture. Having tortured people in the recent past, any allegation of torture is immediately more credible.
Pssht, c’mon. The left’s condemnation of the use of torture was always a case of pure envious projection. This is what they’d llike to do to their enemies, only the problem is their enemies tend to be civilized, respectable-looking grannies and grampas in suits and ties, waiting patiently by the town-hall microphone to speak.
They’re just envious that the enemies of the Bush regime were scruffy loonies who cut the heads of reporters and flew aircraft into buildings, so that there was no similar revulsion to the prospect of prodding them with hot pokers.
I don’t know what’s gotten into Carl today, but I like it.
Carl is right. By Pelosi’s own admission, her enemies are too “well-dressed.”
*sigh* I mean Boxer (like there’s a difference…)
Carl is right.
Carl is delusional. I don’t want anyone to be tortured, for any reason, full stop.
By Pelosi’s own admission, her enemies are too “well-dressed.”
And that’s secret code for “I want to waterboard them”? What planet are you on?
I don’t want anyone to be tortured, for any reason, full stop.
Don’t tell us, call the White House and file your complaint. In the meantime, we’ll send an email to the White House about your fishy demeanor.
“I don’t want anyone to be tortured, for any reason, full stop.”
If that were the case then you should just stop repeatedly bludgeoning us with stupidity.
I don’t want anyone to be tortured, for any reason, full stop.
But every time you write something, I writhe in sympathetic pain for your poor tortured logic circuits. Isn’t self-abuse a sin? Some kind of torture? You should stop. Seek professional help before it’s too late, Jim.
Yes, he certainly doesn’t seem to mind torturing logic.
@Chris Gerrib
3) Even if we accept Azar’s claims at face value, he was not waterboarded, beaten, threatened with a power drill, or otherwise forced to provide information.
So, “forced to provide information” is your definition of torture?
Now I see that this whole torture thing is just a big mis-understanding. We just need to stop getting information out of them.
As long as no clown outfits were involved. That’s just beyond the pale.
Sean – the operant part of my item #3 was the beginning. He was not waterboarded or beaten. Although some of the treatment MAY have been harsh, if you believe Azar, all of it was clearly for the purpose of securely transferring a prisoner in support of a court order.
Remember, we don’t have to take the terrorist’s word for their treatment – the CIA Inspector General talked to CIA operatives about the treatment.
Now I see that this whole torture thing is just a big mis-understanding. We just need to stop getting information out of them.
Based on the rebuttal you received; apparently it is Rendition that is just a big misunderstanding. No one is shipping prisoners to countries that have lesser standards for human rights. They are just securely transferring a prisoner in support of a court order. See, rendition is just a reasonable thing states do. Just ask CIA operatives.
The most amazing thing about the last half year or so is how many people have completely abandoned their ‘principles’ (if they really had them in the first place) and will make any excuse to rationalize the actions of the current administration.