Alas, the only thing that is ending is the blog of that name — I’m sure that the ideology itself will persist and continue to have adherents. Jonah has a farewell post, with some thoughts on the book and current events:
…in the current issue of NR I have a short item on the recent spate of “Obama as Hitler” epithets being thrown around by a few people on the Right (and a lot of idiot Larouchies). A link is unavailable but here’s the relevant passage:
The simple truth is that I do not think it is in the cards for America to go down a Nazi path. I never said otherwise in Liberal Fascism, either….
….Indeed, while I don’t think it is remotely right or fair to call Obama a crypto-Nazi (if by that you mean to say he’s a would-be Hitler), the real problem with all of this loose Nazi talk is that it slanders the American people. Daniel Jonah Goldhagen may have overstated his case in Hitler’s Willing Executioners, but he was certainly right that the German people were Hitler’s willing enablers. The overwhelming majority of the American people — in their history, culture, bones, hearts, souls, DNA, and carbon molecules — are not like that. That goes for American liberals and leftists too. The extent and depth of liberalism’s obtuseness on the subject of fascism (and much else) stews my bowels, but American liberals are still Americans, and Americans will not goose-step behind a Hitler, period.
As I make clear in Liberal Fascism, the obvious and pressing threat is not from a Hitlerite-Orwellian dictatorship but from a Huxleyan namby-pamby mommy state. That sort of system could seduce Americans into becoming chestless subjects of the State in exchange for bottomless self-gratification and liberation from the necessity of adult decision-making. Yes, there’s a danger that such a society could then be susceptible to some darker vision that lionizes the lost manhood of a half-forgotten past. But, by that point, this would be America in name only, if even that (“U.N. District 12” has a nice ring to it).
I should note that I am not quite agreeing with David Frum’s recent broadside against conservatives who find relevance in fascism and Nazism. David writes “can we get a grip here” and I certainly agree that if people think Obama will become a Hitler, or even a Mussolini, they need to do some more thinking. But I think this bit from David is a sort of sleight-of-hand I’ve encountered many times before. He writes:
Contra Rush Limbaugh, history’s actual fascists were not primarily known for their anti-smoking policies or generous social welfare programs. Fascism celebrated violence, anti-rationalism and hysterical devotion to an authoritarian leader.
That’s all true, but misses an important point. What the fascists were or are primarily known for is not necessarily dispositive to the question of what they actually were. Speaking for myself, the relevance of the generous social welfare programs and anti-smoking programs is to point out that the Nazis weren’t exactly what we’ve been told they were. Sure, they were violent and hysterically devoted to an authoritarian leader, but they were also more than that and their popularity with the German people cannot be easily chalked up to those features either.
The Nazis did not rise to power on the promise of bringing war and violence. They just didn’t. They rose to power by promising national restoration, peace, pride, dignity, unity and generous social welfare programs among other things including, of course, scapegoating Jews. People forget how Hitler successfully fashioned himself a champion of peace for quite a while. Limbaugh’s counter-attack on liberals, specifically Pelosi, is exactly that, a counter-attack. He was saying that if liberals are going to call conservatives Nazis for opposing nationalized healthcare maybe they should at least account for the fact that Nazis agreed with them on the issue, not conservatives. If liberals want to have a fight over who is closer to fascism, I see no reason why conservatives should cower from that argument, particularly since the facts are on our side. But I reject entirely the idea that liberals today are literally Nazi-like, particularly if we are going to define Nazism by what “they were known for.” Liberals don’t want to invade Poland or round up Jews. As I’ve said many times, one naive hope I had for my book was that it would remove the word “fascist” from popular discourse, not expand its franchise. Alas, on that score the book is a complete failure.
As I’ve said many times, all Nazis are fascists, but not all fascists are Nazis.
Frum says: “Fascism celebrated violence, anti-rationalism and hysterical devotion to an authoritarian leader.” Sounds like ObamaNation to me.
Faithful ol’ “Uncle Dave,” always looking out for threats to the Plantation, always loyal to Massa ‘Bama, and always wanting “the quality folks” know that he ain’t one of them “uppity” conservatives.
And Hitler had his street thugs to bash heads and shout down his opponents. They were all fascists.
Currently it’s the combination of moderate and conservative Dems and Republicans yelling at the in power super libs. So far they’ve just yelled at just their own reps from Congress.
Not exactly a fascist crowd or fascist tactics.
But the head bashers and street thugs are the SEIU and ACORN. Most have been willing to do whatever to get their way and support their President and the super libs who are doing what they want and they care not what the majority wants. A truly fascist movement and fadcist tactics.
Yelling and voting vs punching and intimidation. Hmmm, not exactly a fair split of forces. But it will do for now. This will all get more interesting before it gets “solved” or decided. What’s the old Chinese saying?
“May you live in interesting times”.
We do.
I don’t expect Obama to take us immediately down the road to fascism or any other dramatically authoritarian state, but the last few decades do seem to reflect a move to larger government with fewer checks. And the current Congress and Obama are doing more to accelerate that process than retard it.
I agree that the nanny state business, left unchecked, may be the greatest threat to individual liberty that we currently face, but it’s hard to know whether we’ll keep going in that direction or not.
But the true awful consequence of the namby-pamby Mommy state is not a concern that we would become narcissistic “chestless subjects to the state,” but that long before we reach that nadir we would be broke and indebted to other nations with far more serious aims than the bureaucrats at the UN, and possibly even invaded or simply laid to waste with a few “rogue” nukes.
It’s not a far off scenario at all. The first steps are already underway with the 10-year budget projections showing the score early on.
It’s not a far off scenario at all. The first steps are already underway with the 10-year budget projections showing the score early on.
Yeah. And the home team’s getting shellacked. Part of the problem is that those hoping for small government have been looking for a “Gipper Casey” to step up for too long, forgetting that at the end of the day there was no joy in Mudville. The good part about the current situation is you’ve got a lot of people starting to say “hey wait a minute, you answer to us and we can’t afford all this crap!” – so hopefully instead of a single “Mighty” slugger, we’ll soon be able to field a fresh whole team from the bottom up.