Doesn’t Look Like Apollo On Steroids

There was an interesting comment over at Rockets’n’Such this past weekend (number 16, since I can’t link individual comments):

There is no rational technical reason that ARES I need be built. It has no special capability above what already exists and is inferior in most aspects to the Atlas and Delta fleets. The already known vibration shock and thermal environments on Atlas/Delta as well as higher overall performance will also enable more rapid convergence on the Orion vehicle design which is trapped in an endless loop of redesigns due to the inadequacy of the ARES I. This should allow a more rapid transition to first flight and eliminates the need for pointless show and tell flight demonstrations. The LAS can be grossly simplified, propulsion systems drastically downsized, onboard systems enhanced and system capability expanded to address near term needs without absurd design compromises.

This is an important point. Most people don’t realize how many of the problems of Ares/Orion are synergistic: when you’re developing two new systems that have to interoperate, design issues from one have an impact on the other. Weight growth in Orion requires additional performance in the Ares, vibration problems in Ares imply a need for mitigation measures in the Orion that result in more weight, etc.

Yes, von Braun solved this in Apollo. How?

First, he had an essentially unlimited budget, something that NASA knew would not be the case before they started initial concepts. Second, he didn’t believe estimates of CSM mass provided by Houston, and built a huge amount of margin into the design of the Saturn V, a luxury that wasn’t available to the Ares concept, given the (arbitrary) decision to base it on an existing (sort of) first stage. As it happened, he ended up needing all of it.

One could see an attempt by NASA to fix this early on, when they went from the four to five segment version of the SRB, making the supposedly “off-the-shelf” first stage an essentially new vehicle (hence the unexpected resonance issues with the longer organ pipe and deeper tones/lower frequencies). As the commenter noted, going with an existing and flown vehicle that is a known quantity (e.g., EELV) confines the development issues to the Orion itself, vastly simplifying the process and reducing program cost and schedule risk. Also, if more performance is needed, there is already a good and well-understood conceptual history at ULA for growth versions, which are much less problematic with liquids than solids.

The wholesale modifications to the CX 39 systems can be halted or delayed until ARES V demands it. Given the lack of real scientific motivation for going to the moon and the near complete lack of tools for long term habitation this would seem to be delayed for at least a decade. Effectively this means the retirement of obsolete crawlers, pads, recovery systems and decaying infrastructure with a significant reduction in ongoing maintenance costs. The development of the J2, ARES I upperstage, 5 segment solid, new avionics as well as vibration suppression can also be halted. This is worth billions in savings and has no near-term impact to flight operations.

In the meantime NASA should learn to nurture the existing space industry by placing realistic contracts for launch services that enable a predictable business environment and encourage private investment beyond the whims of a few billionaires. This alone is a prime task for NASA and one that will challenge them immensely. But with industry as a full team member and not just a half-assed wrench turner executing sophomoric government designs NASA will gain the leverage to actually consider programs more ambitious than ISS. NASA should be tasked with demonstrating that they can economically support an ISS that does significant science while fixing broken hardware, enhancing capabilities and building international support. If NASA cannot support ISS for a predictable sum over a period of years then they cannot claim the abilities required to support lunar operations.

Most importantly NASA should get back to basic research to produce new technologies and tools that enable US industry to lead. The death of most of these technology programs at the hands of the Emperor was a stupid and shameful act. This work is less costly than giant single-purpose rocket ships and confers far greater economic benefit.

If NASA wants to go to the moon they better start with the crew landing and staying for months. Anything less is a waste of time. They should focus on what tools are required to make this a reality. The ESAS architecture is wholly incapable of meeting this need. But there are solutions that do enable this and at reasonable cost. They just don’t look like Apollo on steroids.

Emphasis mine. One of the problems with having space dominated by a government program is that failure tends to be rewarded, and success punished — if you save money on a program, and don’t use all your budget, it is generally cut the next year. And the excuses for failure generally are that there were insufficient funds, so failed programs get the money that the successful ones saved. Mickey Kaus has some (non-space) related thoughts (scroll a little — his permalinks remain quirky) on the parallels between the failure to prevent the carnage in India, and the failure to educate children here (is he really old enough to have been at Hyannisport when JFK was alive? He must have been a kid).

Anyway, worthwhile reading for the space transition team.

[Early afternoon update]

Paul Spudis (who has a comment on this post) has some nice things to say about ten years of ISS over at Air & Space today:

I contend that ISS is useful for future lunar and planetary exploration. For one thing, building and operating a million-pound spacecraft for over a decade has surely taught us something about spacefaring. One of the most remarkable facts about ISS is that it went from drawing board (more accurately, from computer-aided design bits) to working hardware in space, without numerous prototypes and precursors, and it worked the first time it was turned on. By any standard, that is a remarkable achievement. We have learned how to assemble and operate complex spacecraft in orbit, in many cases solving deployment problems and coaxing balky equipment into operation, as exemplified by the recent experience of Don Pettit and Mike Fincke with the renowned urine conversion machine. Assembling complex machines and making them work in space is a key skill of any spacefaring society. Building and operating ISS over the last decade has taught us much about that skill.

The station could be made even more important and relevant to future operations in space. A key requirement of routine operations in cislunar space is the ability to manage, handle and transfer rocket fuel, particularly the difficult to manage cryogenic liquid oxygen and hydrogen. We could begin to acquire real experience working with these materials at ISS – transfer a quantity of water, crack it into its component hydrogen and oxygen using solar-generated electricity on orbit, and experiment with different methods of handling, conversion and storage of these materials. None of this requires a new module, but some specialized equipment could allow us to experiment with cryogenic fuel in microgravity, mastering a skill of vital importance to future operations in space and on the Moon.

I agree that we learned many useful lessons from ISS (unfortunately, the biggest, and falsest lesson that many seem to have learned is that we should avoid orbital construction and not build space facilities — thinking that is partly responsible for the current flawed heavy-lift ESAS approach). But using the ISS for orbital propellant technology development might potentially conflict with other research on station, if it involves disturbances, or concerns about explosive potential in the event of a mishap. This is worth looking into, but it’s not a simple issue.

9 thoughts on “Doesn’t Look Like Apollo On Steroids”

  1. Doesn’t Look Like Apollo On Steroids

    Well, the way you describe it, Ares looks like Apollo on way too many steroids.

  2. New European, it’s a nice report, but the original comment stands. There isn’t much scientific justification at the current time for returning to the Moon. We could address just about everything with a few more sortie missions.

  3. “There isn’t much scientific justification at the current time for returning to the Moon.”

    There’s just not any scientific justification that you agree with. “Scientific justification” is in the eye of the beholder. Pick a select group of scientists and get the answer you want.

    The real justification for lunar return is not scientific but operational. We go back to the Moon to learn the skills we need to live and work in space, including using space resources.

  4. I would agree that there are operational benefits to going to the Moon. If we go with a certain vision and goals, there is also a danger it might establish limits that become hard to get beyond. It’s happened before.

    The LM was a one shot vehicle. Let’s suppose we are smarter today (yeah, that flies in the face of my theory of devolution, but let’s just say.)

    We build a reusable fuel-n-go Lunar lander that can bring so much crew and cargo to the lunar surface and back to orbit. What is the result and potential implications?

    The good: we learn how to conduct frequent and safe lunar operations.

    The bad: it establishes constraints that are harder to argue going beyond or get funding for.

    If we already have a lunar capability let’s just stay in Earth orbit (which the Moon is.) There’s lots to do without going anywhere else.

    We’d like to do other things, but all the funding for the next generation is for the five guys we rotate through the Moon base. …and the next generation. …and the next generation.

    Private industry has the potential to break out of that cycle, but I don’t see a government program doing it.

    Did I mention my friends cattle ranch?

    We need the government to pass a bill saying they will accept property right claims on other bodies. Details to be worked out.

  5. Rand,
    But using the ISS for orbital propellant technology development might potentially conflict with other research on station, if it involves disturbances, or concerns about explosive potential in the event of a mishap. This is worth looking into, but it’s not a simple issue.

    There are other routes for testing that stuff. LM/ULA has their Centaur Test Bed idea they’ve talked about in the past (a secondary payload on the Centaur that takes unused propellants and allows you to do some experiments after the primary payload is delivered). And then there’s always *cough* suborbital RLVs *cough*. 🙂

    ~Jon

  6. or concerns about explosive potential in the event of a mishap

    The ISS currently electrolyzes water to provide bretheable oxygen. The hydrogen is simply vented to space. How exactly would capturing this ‘by-product’ represent any increase in explosive potential?

    That said, there are lots of things that they could be doing with this excess hydrogen. With cryogenic storage, the LOX and LH2 could be used as a backup power source if anything should happen to the batteries and/or PV arrays. Hydrogen is also feedstock for the Sabatier reaction which converts carbon dioxide into methane and oxygen. So, in addition to gaining experience with cryogenic fuels, they might be able to produce storable fuels as well (while also scrubbing the air and recovering additional oxygen). If I remember correctly, I think the ECLSS on Node 3 is supposed to have a system like this (for scrubbing the air, not necessarily for making fuel).

  7. There are plenty of excellent scientific reasons for going to the Moon. What there are not plenty of are reasons why in-situ humans are required to do that science.

    The reflexive connection of lunar science and human lunar footprints is completely misguided.

    In fact, concentration of our lunar return efforts to a lunar outpost is exactly what you don’t want to do in oder to do the science that needs to be done.

    The same may not be true for Mars, as the latency is far larger, and telepresence and telerobotics is a lot harder for Mars than for the Moon.

    There are good reasons to put humans back on the Moon, but science is not obviously one of them.

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